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I don't suppose they showed any benchmarks for the Adreno 320? Is it any better than the SGX543MP2?

It should be, but I have nothing to back that up, so I honestly can't say for sure.

The MP2 is cheating.....using 2 gpu cores....pfffffffffffft
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I for one am an advocate of manual file management, because it gives me power over what is and what isn't going to be transferred, deleted, copied, etc. tongue.gif
I'm an advocate for iTunes because it does it for me automagically coolsmiley02.gif

On a more serious note, why do you have less control over what's happening with your files because it's in iTunes? It's far simpler in iTunes as I see it and even more so with multiple devices. For example, doing it manually you'd have to open the folders you keep your music, movies, and TV shows in, and drag whatever you want over, but with iTunes you toggle a few check boxes to control what you want. It's more than understandable if you don't use iTunes because it runs slow but if that isn't the case I'm not sure why you'd prefer to do it manually.
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But yeah, it would be interesting how Apple will respond to ASUS' recent offensive on the tablet market. The Transformer TF101 was a sleeper hit among 1st-gen Android tablets and the Prime is making waves by being the first quad-core powered mobile device in the market. I'm assuming that the TF700T is ASUS' direct competitor to the iPad 3, and its smaller sibling the MeMo 370T will take on the successor to the Kindle Fire.
I'm excited about the iPad 3. They can't afford to have a weak release, so I'm convinced it'll be imagical. (By that I mean: retina display, quad-core A15, 1GB RAM, SGX6xx series GPU, better cameras, more storage... WOO.)
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It should be, but I have nothing to back that up, so I honestly can't say for sure.
The MP2 is cheating.....using 2 gpu cores....pfffffffffffft
Ah okay.

Pff, the MP2 is cheating? The Tegra 3 has 12 cores! Haha lol.
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Is the ipad 3 still rumored for February? I don't really need a tablet right now but I sure do want one... I was planning on waiting to see how the 700t and ipad 3 turns out but I think im just going to pick up the prime tomorrow.
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Pff, the MP2 is cheating? The Tegra 3 has 12 cores! Haha lol.

1. saw an article on engadget, saying the prototype actually had a 225, which is kinda a dissapointment.

2. If you wanna go that way, the 543MP2 has 32 cores.
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Is the ipad 3 still rumored for February? I don't really need a tablet right now but I sure do want one... I was planning on waiting to see how the 700t and ipad 3 turns out but I think im just going to pick up the prime tomorrow.
Yeah but who knows really. I'd wait because you can either buy the new iPad or get the iPad 2 (second hand) cheaper than you could now.
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1. saw an article on engadget, saying the prototype actually had a 225, which is kinda a dissapointment.
2. If you wanna go that way, the 543MP2 has 32 cores.
1) Ah that is a disappointment.
2) How's that?
Edited by steelbom - 1/30/12 at 10:43pm
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Yeah but who knows really. I'd wait because you can either buy the new iPad or get the iPad 2 (second hand) cheaper than you could now.
1) Ah that is a disappointment.
2) How's that?

the MP2 is 2 543's stuck together.

the ULP geforce whateverthehelltheycallit is a single gpu.

anand has a nice chart:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/2

Multi core thing is explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series_5XT_.28SGXMP.29
and here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4215/apple-ipad-2-benchmarked-dualcore-cortex-a9-powervr-sgx-543mp2/3


(I wasn't srs about the cheating thing....it was a joke)
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the MP2 is 2 543's stuck together.
the ULP geforce whateverthehelltheycallit is a single gpu.
anand has a nice chart:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5072/nvidias-tegra-3-launched-architecture-revealed/2
Multi core thing is explained here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR#Series_5XT_.28SGXMP.29
and here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4215/apple-ipad-2-benchmarked-dualcore-cortex-a9-powervr-sgx-543mp2/3
(I wasn't srs about the cheating thing....it was a joke)
Mmm, I see. Thanks for the links smile.gif

Haha I know lol tongue.gif
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I'm an advocate for iTunes because it does it for me automagically

On a more serious note, why do you have less control over what's happening with your files because it's in iTunes? It's far simpler in iTunes as I see it and even more so with multiple devices. For example, doing it manually you'd have to open the folders you keep your music, movies, and TV shows in, and drag whatever you want over, but with iTunes you toggle a few check boxes to control what you want. It's more than understandable if you don't use iTunes because it runs slow but if that isn't the case I'm not sure why you'd prefer to do it manually.

Manual file management works for me because I can be able to handle different file types (FLAC, PDF, MKV, etc.) with ease. For example, if I want to move over my downloads to their correct categories, I can do so within my tablet using a file manager: create a folder, move files, delete junk. It's basically the same as a PC interface where I can move around the stuff as I please, without being met with "unsupported file type" messages when using a program like iTunes.
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It's hard to say because it's heavily dependant on whether Apple's been able to get their hands on certain technology such as the Cortex A15 processor or the PowerVR 600 series graphics.
The A6 will definitely include a quad-core but it's unknown whether it will be based off the Cortex A9 like the Tegra 3 or the Cortex A15. 1GB of LPDDR2 RAM is a given. Assuming that the PowerVR 600 series isn't available and that the resolution doesn't change, it's likely we'll see the same SGX543MP2 graphics, if however the resolution does change to 2048x1536 we may see something as powerful as the SGX543MP6, and if the PowerVR 600 series is available we'll definitely see one or more of those implemented due to the huge performance increase.
The A6's quad-core processor will likely be outperformed by the Tegra 3's CPU assuming that it is based off the Cortex A9 and that Apple clocks it lower around the 1GHz mark as they usually do. If it's based off the Cortex A15 then it'll likely match (or maybe slightly outperform) the Tegra 3's CPU if Apple clocks it at 1GHz, if they clock it at 1.2GHz it would definitely outperform the Tegra 3's CPU.
The 700T is apparently $599 and $699 now for the 16GB and 32GB model respectively. This is very likely almost entirely because of the larger resolution display, so I expect that if the iPad 3 has the retina display that it will be priced at $599, $699, and $799, for the 16GB, 32GB and 64GB model respectively. (We may even see a base iPad 3 model that has the standard display.) Hopefully the iPad 2 will be priced at $399.
It's all a guessing game right now, but a fun one at least thumb.gif

The Cortex A15 won't tape-out until Q4 2012 and it isn't targeted towards tablets. It will have features more in line with traditional mobile/desktop CPUs which means it will use orders of magnitude more power than does the Cortex A9.
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Manual file management works for me because I can be able to handle different file types (FLAC, PDF, MKV, etc.) with ease. For example, if I want to move over my downloads to their correct categories, I can do so within my tablet using a file manager: create a folder, move files, delete junk. It's basically the same as a PC interface where I can move around the stuff as I please, without being met with "unsupported file type" messages when using a program like iTunes.
Ah I see, that's fair enough. iTunes isn't big on different formats tongue.gif
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The Cortex A15 won't tape-out until Q4 2012 and it isn't targeted towards tablets. It will have features more in line with traditional mobile/desktop CPUs which means it will use orders of magnitude more power than does the Cortex A9.
According to the ARM site, one of the applications for the Cortex A15 is "advanced smartphones" and also tablets. This article also says that the Cortex A15 is working its way into tablets and smartphones in the second half of 2012 and I'd guess the writer is referring to Samsung's unveiling of the Exynos 5250 which is apparently slated for release in Q2 2012. The Cortex A15 also offers 40% more performance over a Cortex A9 at the same clock speed, according to ARM.

I'd have a hard time believing that this would get less performance per watt than the Cortex A9, if that was true it'd be a bit of a flop. Even though it's adopted new features which will increase power consumption, the performance increase combined with the die shrink should make any power consumption increase negligible. For example a 1GHz Cortex A15 should perform as well as a 1.4GHz Cortex A9 while using less power and generating less heat, wouldn't it? They seem to say on their site that it is power efficient / low power.

A quote from ARM's site:
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The ARM Cortex™-A15 MPCore™ processor is the highest-performance licensable processor the industry has ever seen. It delivers unprecedented processing capability, combined with low power consumption to enable compelling products in markets ranging from smartphones, tablets, mobile computing, high-end digital home, servers and wireless infrastructure. The unique combination of performance, functionality, and power-efficiency provided by the Cortex-A15 MPCore processor reinforces ARM’s clear leadership position in these high-value and high-volume application segments.

Apple will definitely be working on this and I can only hope we'll see it in the A6 but if not, the A7. I'd say considering Apple's expertise + Intrinsity + P.A Semi, that they may even be able to remove any unnecessary features which should reduce power consumption. But maybe not, I'm not too familiar with that.
Edited by steelbom - 1/31/12 at 5:54am
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