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Bad argument is bad.
Just because the nVidia's new cards are getting released about 3 months later it doesnt mean they have newer technology doh.gif
Both architectures were pretty much developed at the same time; AMD simply finished earlier as they couldnt get much more out of their new architecture and went for an earlier release while nVidia still had room for improvements and optimizations.
And theres no guarantee at all that HD 8xxx will be faster than Kepler and GTX 8xx faster than HD 8xxx again, thats NAIVE.
Remember the HD 2000 series? It was slower than the Geforce 8 series which has been around for 6 months already when the HD2000 series launched.
Sorry, but the point of "newer = faster" is moot and not true at all.
Why isnt Bulldozer faster than SB or Phenom II? tongue.gif
lol, and how is that ANY different to a 7980?
If they decide to make a beefed up 7970 (which will only affect clocks, read below) and release it to counter nVidia, what kind of difference does it make if they call it 7980 or 7990? Its just a name jeez.
No. That 'news' was based on the Sapphire chart that was leaked a while ago showing their upcoming HD 7970 lineup.
On the chart there was a crossed out card with 1335 MHz and 2304 Shaders and some stupid site immedaitely interpreted it as the HD 8970 to create hype.
A few days later official statements from AMD said there wouldnt be any hidden Shaders in the Tahiti chip and that 2048 would be the full unlocked chip. So we wont see a faster card at all unless it's simply going to be a higher clocked 7970 but everyone can do this on his own with a normal 7970 aswell. 1200MHz are always possible.
EDIT: Found the source: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/1/3/amd-denies-any-hidden-cores-in-radeon-hd-7970-%28tahiti-xt%29.aspx

Slow down Tiger, I didn't say it would be faster, I was implying it was no surprise if newer technology is faster. Although with the 7970 only about 30% faster than the 580, I full expect Nvidia's next high-end GPU offering to beat the 7970, but really, it should, it's going to be about 6 months late to the party, and then I fully expect AMD to release something that beats than in 6 more months.
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Slow down Tiger, I didn't say it would be faster, I was implying it was no surprise if newer technology is faster. Although with the 7970 only about 30% faster than the 580, I full expect Nvidia's next high-end GPU offering to beat the 7970, but really, it should, it's going to be about 6 months late to the party, and then I fully expect AMD to release something that beats than in 6 more months.

No unless its HD 7980 AMD will have nothing. They are not trying to win the battle here but fighting the war. They dont need to have the fastest Single GPU. Their next card will take at least 1-1.5 years. They want to cash 79XX series first. Their average jump between generation ~ 14-16 months. Nvidia ~ 2 years with refreshes in between. HD 7970 will have the glory for 6 months and then GTX680 will take over for 6-8 months and so on.
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No unless its HD 7980 AMD will have nothing. They are not trying to win the battle here but fighting the war. They dont need to have the fastest Single GPU. Their next card will take at least 1-1.5 years. They want to cash 79XX series first. Their average jump between generation ~ 14-16 months. Nvidia ~ 2 years with refreshes in between. HD 7970 will have the glory for 6 months and then GTX680 will take over for 6-8 months and so on.

I think the likelihood of a 7970 refresh is fairly high, considering the scalability and oc headroom we've seen. They couldn't do this with cayman because well, it just didn't scale very well.
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I think the likelihood of a 7970 refresh is fairly high, considering the scalability and oc headroom we've seen. They couldn't do this with cayman because well, it just didn't scale very well.

The card is not really suffering like HD 58XX did from tessellation and GTX4XX did from high heat and power consumption.
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these are the cards that are supposed to be out in feb. right?
 
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I take this with a grain of salt. I hope it's true, though.
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Except the performance crown goes back and forth with each new release, so why you're trying to act like one is better than the other is confusing.

You're missing the point here. The point being that AMD is a generation behind nVidia.
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You're missing the point here. The point being that AMD is a generation behind nVidia.

and intel
 
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You're missing the point here. The point being that AMD is a generation behind nVidia.

How do you figure that? They are on two different release cycles, generations are only relative to the individual product at hand...

What matters is what the best available card when the consumer goes to shop.
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This is not the clarity I'd hoped from from the thread title. Now I just feel more compelled to wait. God, I hate staggered launches.
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