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Schools can barely afford newer textbooks, so the solution is to give every child a $500 iPad? This will only be popular in private schools, where the parents are already paying $30000+ to send their children to school.
It looks interesting I'll agree, but the whole part about needing a $500 Apple branded device and being stuck with Apple DRM is stupid.
There's nothing in those books that can't be implemented in HTML5. If Apple really wanted to make a difference they'd put it all online and allow anyone to access it from any device.

Agreed.The budget is so squeezed that teachers are spending around $500 a year for supplies they need that the school doesn't pay for. Schools can't afford tissues, but somehow they can afford a $500 iPad 2, and a $100 AppleCare warranty (because someone's going to break it within 3 years, while textbooks just work(TM) ). No, if schools want to go to eBooks it'd be much more clever to transition to Amazon Kindle. If you're doing schoolwork, you don't need a backlit screen so e-Ink is perfect. $100 for a Kindle Touch. These could replace a large amount of a school library, use newer books on Kindle and cut down expenses. $200 for Kindle Fire for textbooks in color (science, history, perhaps calculus). Amazon owns the tablet market for eBooks. Funny that the author would say apple is "reinventing" textbooks when they're years late to the game. Even funnier that anyone thinks this is some sort of humanitarian effort by Apple to make textbooks affordable.
 
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This is obviously nothing new or revolutionary. The system they are considering in Russia at the moment is much better for educational needs. Tablets are good jack of all trades, master of nothing devices. Their displays just are not suitable for staring at, for hours on end. eInk is a much better alternative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbGZmWKbc6g
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Agreed. The budget is so squeezed that teachers are spending around $500 a year for supplies they need that the school doesn't pay for. Schools can't afford tissues, but somehow they can afford a $500 iPad 2, and a $100 AppleCare warranty (because someone's going to break it within 3 years, while textbooks just work(TM) ). No, if schools want to go to eBooks it'd be much more clever to transition to Amazon Kindle. If you're doing schoolwork, you don't need a backlit screen so e-Ink is perfect. $100 for a Kindle Touch. These could replace a large amount of a school library, use newer books on Kindle and cut down expenses. $200 for Kindle Fire for textbooks in color (science, history, perhaps calculus). Amazon owns the tablet market for eBooks. Funny that the author would say apple is "reinventing" textbooks when they're years late to the game. Even funnier that anyone thinks this is some sort of humanitarian effort by Apple to make textbooks affordable.

They're making the books more interactive, which sounds great. They're offering them in a free app and the books are $15 max and you somehow think this is a bad thing?

I think it's pretty cool that the option is out there, whether or not everyone can afford it.
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This is a good move. Hopefully this might inspire other players to implament further design in their ebook selection and interface. ebooks suck when they are designed properly to be read on your tablet.
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Haha yeah. Will be pretty awesome if every school in the world has iPads for learning thumb.gif

I'd much rather see every school have a tablet rather then 1 single monopolized device. But it is cool that we might see a major shift into the ebook world in schools. Definitely more cost effective.
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Yeah great use when a Teacher takes it off you...

Won't do a damn in Australia, they make millions of $40-50 textbooks we use once a week, let alone the $200 calculator for General maths. (Thank god I am out of school)

Hopefully atleast this will make a big dent in stupid book stores in Aus.
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$79 MIPS-based Novo7. Make a $99 version with a higher-res 8" screen and then you'll have a tablet that schools might be able to afford (the cost of a $99 tablet and a $15 book per student will be around the cost of a new textbook per student, but it would still take lots of semesters before enough money would become available to convert the entire school). The other option is an eInk tablet such as the Kindle. Make the tablet so it is unable to use non-school software during school hours (else face the game problem) and set them to alarm if they leave the school grounds so they're not stolen (let's face it, they will disappear and GPS tracking of students will raise huge privacy issues).

edit: another interesting idea that I have played with is overlaying an eInk display with an AMOLED display. The eInk display would be visible through the AMOLED, but parts of the AMOLED could be fired up both when responsiveness is needed (ie to smooth transitions until eInk is set to the next page) and when a small part of the page (such as a picture or video) needs color (the AMOLED can light up just the pixels that are needed). There are technical difficulties with this though (even so, Apple applied for a patent on this about a year ago ruining my whole day (I had toyed with the idea ever since eInk was first introduced)).

Finally, if textbooks cost $15, there are three certainties. The first is that the textbook is rented for a semester (not owned). The second is that the textbooks will be crappy. Most textbook makers WON'T hire the ooh-so-expensive programmers and designers that are needed to make a textbook that looks like the ones Apple showed off (I hope no one believes that it was publishers and not Apple who designed those textbooks). The last certainty is that these books will be tied to online services and these services are not going to be free nor will they be part of that $15 upfront cost.

@Jesse

short rant: Kids in grade school don't need calculators, they need repetition to memorize basic math. Kids in high school don't need a calculator for Algebra, Geometry, Calculus I, etc (with the exception of a 4-function calc for sqrt). The only classes that should need a calculator are a few such as Trig/precal or physics (Perhaps I should rant on how precal is just a marketing name for what should have already been taught in Alg II and then trig if there's enough time. None of this has anything to do with the principles of calculus).

Calculators shouldn't be used until some of the later college classes where they are needed as they are used in the industry (stats, accounting, engineering, etc).
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They're making the books more interactive, which sounds great. They're offering them in a free app and the books are $15 max and you somehow think this is a bad thing?
I think it's pretty cool that the option is out there, whether or not everyone can afford it. I find it funny how dim some of you Apple haters truly are.

The price for adopting a system where people are locked into purchasing Apple only products for education is staggering. A family with 4 children will buy a set of books for one child, then in a few years time those same books can be used by the subsequent children. Apple are proposing a system where that family is forced into paying two grand every year or two, just for the devices. Let alone the cost of the books themselves.

As for making books more interactive. Books are all ready incredibly interactive.
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iBooks 2 also offers chapter summaries, and multiple choice tests with questions and answers. Students are offered immediate feedback on their answers, and teachers are given options for layouts and question types.

These features are all ready available with traditional printed books.
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Additionally, the new platform simplifies note taking, allowing students to swipe over text to highlight. Tapping highlighted text allows students to change the color, while notes can be added to the margin by tapping the note icon.

text-highlighter-pens-854472.jpg

The only thing this adds is extra cost to parents, and more money in Apples pockets. The greatest plus is not having to lug around huge textbooks all day. But there are many other, better, open and less expensive platforms to do something like this on.
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15 dollar text books will be a heaven-send. I remember paying close to 600 dollars each semester during collage & grad school, It was awful. Especially considering my grocery bill for the semester never went beyond 800 dollars
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The price for adopting a system where people are locked into purchasing Apple only products for education is staggering. A family with 4 children will buy a set of books for one child, then in a few years time those same books can be used by the subsequent children. Apple are proposing a system where that family is forced into paying two grand every year or two, just for the devices. Let alone the cost of the books themselves.
As for making books more interactive. Books are all ready incredibly interactive.
These features are all ready available with traditional printed books.
text-highlighter-pens-854472.jpg
The only thing this adds is extra cost to parents, and more money in Apples pockets. The greatest plus is not having to lug around huge textbooks all day. But there are many other, better, open and less expensive platforms to do something like this on.

You're absolutely right, I know nothing that kids enjoy more than reading traditional printed textbooks. LOL rolleyes.gif
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Agreed. I find it funny how brainwashed some Apple fanboys are. The budget is so squeezed that teachers are spending around $500 a year for supplies they need that the school doesn't pay for. Schools can't afford tissues, but somehow they can afford a $500 iPad 2, and a $100 AppleCare warranty (because someone's going to break it within 3 years, while textbooks just work(TM) ). No, if schools want to go to eBooks it'd be much more clever to transition to Amazon Kindle. If you're doing schoolwork, you don't need a backlit screen so e-Ink is perfect. $100 for a Kindle Touch. These could replace a large amount of a school library, use newer books on Kindle and cut down expenses. $200 for Kindle Fire for textbooks in color (science, history, perhaps calculus). Amazon owns the tablet market for eBooks. Funny that the author would say apple is "reinventing" textbooks when they're years late to the game. Even funnier that anyone thinks this is some sort of humanitarian effort by Apple to make textbooks affordable.

THIS. +1 my friend...... +1 indeed.
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