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Tbh I'd rather bump my ISO, then suffer low shutter speeds.
Like say I'm at the zoo, with my 70-200 2.8 sigma that cost half of a Canon variant, and its overcast, and my shutter speeds drop to 1/30 with my ISO at 200, I'll bump my ISO to 800, have 1/320+ speeds and still a very crisp, clean and sharp picture.
7D deals with ISO at 1600 and below, so $1000s for IS can suck my balls.
Kinda sounds like i'm reaching for justification though, right? Kinda like you with this IS?
Maybe just start shooting RAW and dealing with noise in editing. Its not hard.
Bumping the ISO to curb low shutter speeds will kill what IS can do for you any day.

thats only true if u want track sharp photos with no sense of motion.

if you want to say pan a speeding car or bird you need to drop the shutter speed. panning 1/120 or even 1/60 is extremely difficult compared to a lens with IS.
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Very cool picture.
Only a Nikon could do that, that well.

he is showing you the advantages of VR/IS. not how low noise it is.....
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I edited the OP...I still can't chose 100%...anyone like to convince me their opinion?
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little late now...but the rokinon WAS on sale for 375 on amazon....
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I was in class, I didn't see it on sale at all today, I checked like 6 times lol.

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Edited by Sean Webster - 1/21/12 at 1:45am
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Well, you see what I have in my sig. I want a zoom again and I want a prime again as well. I am going try to buy used.
Prime:
I had a 50mm 1.8 MKII and 50mm was too restrictive so I am not considering anything more than 35mm.
Looking onto the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 and the Rokinon 35mm f/1.4. Should I consider anything else? Anything a better value?
If I get the Sigma, when I upgrade to the 5D MKIII the siggy can't be used. So then I'll just sell the siggy when I get the FF. It has auto focus, it is very sharp, similar to the 35L, and is ~ $400 used and I can easily sell it for the same price.
If I get the Rokinon then I don't have manual focus, but is that really a big deal...I am trying to figure that part out. Auto focus does help a lot usually, but below f/2.8 auto focus can be glitchy, well at least with my old 50mm it was. But I can keep it when I get the FF. But I am not sure on whether or not i need or want auto focus. I t can be hard to focus with my view finder at times.
Tele:
Now for the zoom I am thinking of a 70-200L or the Sigma. But what else should I look into? The 100-400 is a nice zoom range, but it is a huge pump lol. Also, there is the 70-300L and non L....but I like a fixed aperture better and I can get extenders.
Now for the decision on the 70-200s...I can't decide b/w these lol. I am 99% sure on the Canon...but IDK...
  • Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM IS
  • Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX DG APO OS HSM
The Canon is ~ $900-$1,000 used and can easily be sold for that price again. It is a new design, it is one of the sharpest 70-200s, and it is light compared to the 2.8 variants so it is easier to manage.
The Sigma is ~$1,200 used and I am not sure on resale...i have little knowledge of it, but it has OS and f/2.8 for cheaper than the higher end Canon.
Ehhhh, I will try to reach a verdict promptly...I hope. Don't worry I am not like he who shall not be named. thumb.gif

My two cents ...

Don't bother with the 30mm Sigma -- They are known to have focusing issues and there is a reason they are cheap. Saying that, if you can find a good copy without back or front focusing issues, grab it. The quality of the glass is fantastic. But the quality control issues suck and buying an uncalibrated, badly focusing copy is a headache. And I'm not just being a gear whore, either -- I bought a Sigma 30mm and a 450D for my girlfriend a few years back just for ****s and giggles because she wanted to shoot random stuff for herself. The thing drove me insane everytime she wanted to take a photo of me.

The Canon 35L is fantastic -- Yes, it costs a little extra. But you're buying quality and you know it will be sharp. I own a copy, it's fantastic. On FF it is a great all round length. On your 60D it will equal around what a 50mm looks like on a FF camera -- Which is a nice portrait length.

I wouldn't touch the Rokinon -- Having a lens without auto focus wouldn't be a huge thing. But it depends what you plan on shooting. Portraits? Stills? Sports? Figure out what you want to shoot and then decide if AF is useful to you. Is it really worth saving xxx.xx amount of money to forfeit something you would use every single time you picked up the lens otherwise? Portraits / Stills -- You could definitely get away with a manual lens. I know I do. But be prepared to consider switching your entire arsenal to the "M" switch so you can really hone those manual focusing skills. Otherwise jumping from an AF lens back to a "M" lens will be a drag. Trust me, I've been there.

As for the zooms -- I can't talk. I'm a prime man only. But I have heard the Sigma 70-200 has the same issues as it's little 30mm sister. But most of it is hit and miss. Is it worth the gamble to save some cash? Another age old debate, really. Figure out what you'll be using the lens for and whether you need lighting fast, precise focusing. If not, go the Sigma. If you think back-focusing / misfocusing would drive you insane, then spend the extra money and buy Canon.

Just my two cents, anyway.


EDIT -- Just a side note ...

When I say, "if you can find a good copy" -- I mean literally pick it up and put it on your camera. The focusing issues vary between bodies and when you *do* have your gear calibrated, that is the reason most places want both the camera you plan on using AND the lenses. Don't just take someones word for it on eBay. Goto the place, put on your camera, fire off a few shots from wide open to at least F/5.6 and then take them home and pixel peep. If all is swell, buy the sucker.
Edited by Kariz-Matik - 1/21/12 at 1:56am
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The thing is that I have no camera stores around me at all, I hate it. I have to order everything based on reviews and recommendations.

So...i think I know what you mean, I read a lot about having to send the sigggys back to get recalibrated. And the manual focus I don't think I can do without a better viewfinder.

Now to find a 35L for cheap? lol

$1255 here:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/162614-USA/Canon_2512A002_EF_35mm_f_1_4L_USM.html

Any going used for a good price? That is really pushing the budget for that much. Oh and what other primes you got? I am thinking of going all primes too...except for a 70-200 lol. I think I shoot more with primes.
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The thing is that I have no camera stores around me at all, I hate it. I have to order everything based on reviews and recommendations.
So...i think I know what you mean, I read a lot about having to send the sigggys back to get recalibrated. And the manual focus I don't think I can do without a better viewfinder.
Now to find a 35L for cheap? lol
$1255 here:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/162614-USA/Canon_2512A002_EF_35mm_f_1_4L_USM.html
Any going used for a good price? That is really pushing the budget for that much. Oh and what other primes you got? I am thinking of going all primes too...except for a 70-200 lol. I think I shoot more with primes.

Honestly, with the right camera bag and the right primes (Only the ones you 110% need), you can live without a zoom. They are better in every aspect, too -- They are sharper, have nicer bokeh, are faster and usually hold up to the elements better because of the reduced amount of moving parts, in my experience. I love primes.

My current line up is,

135mm L, 50mm L, 35mm L, 45mm TS E -- And currently they all go onto two 5DMKII's.

Don't get me wrong, I haven't always been an "L" whore and I haven't always had L gear. I've been down the path of the broke ass photographer and had to swindle and make cuts where ever I could. But if I could have the future me go back and slap the old me selfless everytime I wanted to "do it cheap", I would.

I've owned the Sigma 30mm, I've owned the 50 1.8, I've owned the 50 1.4 -- Same goes with the 35 F/2.0 and the lens baby and the 100mm F/2.0 -- So on, so on.

The money that I spent on cheap gear and then later lost money on when I sold it and then spent more on "better" gear until I finally arrived at my current destination was ridiculous. I told myself that I didn't need good gear and could "get away" with the cheaper stuff. I wish I knew what I did now. You truly do pay for what you get.

I know, some on here think I'm just a gear whore. But whatever.

Buy quality. Get quality. Simple, really.

As for the 35L -- Honestly man, if you can, buy it second hand. All of Canon's "L" gear costs the money it does because it's made superior. That means buying "L" gear second hand (With the case of I'm sure, a few exceptions) is just as good as buying brand new. Don't get me wrong, if you can afford to buy brand new, do it -- I do. Warranty and new glass makes me happy. Mmm, new lens smell.

But I've owned second hand "L" gear and I've always been happy with it. Always. They are built like tanks. Check out eBay or somewhere where if you buy a copy under false premises (The AF turns up broken or some ****), you can fight it and get your money back (eBay / PayPal do this, obviously) -- Or buy off of POTN or from other photographers who have good rep. There are a lot of people out there who sell up their gear all the time.
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I'm supprized you don't have the 85L instead of the 50L. lol

I buy used when I can, I love that cheaper price smell. wink.gif

1k from this guy.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1135590&highlight=35L

....anyone want to buy a gas powered RC car, paintball gun, and/or a EF-S15-85mm?

This "easy decision stuff" ain't easy anymore. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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I'm supprized you don't have the 85L instead of the 50L. lol
I buy used when I can, I love that cheaper price smell. wink.gif
1k from this guy.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1135590&highlight=35L
....anyone want to buy a gas powered RC car, paintball gun, and/or a EF-S15-85mm?
This "easy decision stuff" ain't easy anymore. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

I had the 85 L but I find it too slow for the work I do. Otherwise I'd have kept it. But I'm weird like that, my mantra is "if it ain't getting used, it's getting sold". The 50mm is an awesome length, is fast and has close to just as much pop as the 85mm did. The 135L makes up for the lack of pop / distance when I need it. Plus the 135L is the bokeh king. Literally.

And uhm ... I'll take that paintball gun. For real.
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I had the 85 L but I find it too slow for the work I do. Otherwise I'd have kept it. But I'm weird like that, my mantra is "if it ain't getting used, it's getting sold". The 50mm is an awesome length, is fast and has close to just as much pop as the 85mm did. The 135L makes up for the lack of pop / distance when I need it. Plus the 135L is the bokeh king. Literally.
Ahh, ok and yea, that 135L is amazing.
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