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For school we have been given a class assignment were we need to build the perfect PC, this pc is designed primary for CAD driven applications. The biggest discussion currently is whether to go with a Conroe or a Xeon. I would consider Xeons to be old tech at this point versus that of a Conroe, but I don't look at Xeons nearly as much because of this reason. So I figured being that you guys/gals are the biggest group of information for me since I joined I'd ask to see what you think.
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Xeons have a 16M L3 on die cache ! That would make them screamers.
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There are new Xeons did you know?
Came out like a week a go ,(in my 3rd world country).
The new mac PRO has them , so they should be better!?
Still servers processors are more stable than the normal ones.
I would guess you have a budget for the computer?Give it to us so we can make you get an A
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Here's the bulk of everything

Introduction
This assignment is focused on building the Perfect video editing and graphics. As a community the members of ITT 181 will research what constitutes the "Perfect PC". One of the challenges to the students is to create a body of knowledge in a civil manner. Contributions from ALL of the students in the class will be respected. If one student disagrees with information posted by another student, the findings should be well documented with at least two technical sources to back up the facts. Students will receive a written description of a research assignment on building the Perfect PC. Pairs of students will be responsible for modifying the apppropriate pages of this AniAniWeb to create a final technically correct web publication that is Wiki Based. The Instructor will be able to review a revision history to determine student individual contributions to the activity.

Collaboration
It may be important to discuss compatibility of computer specs with other students in the class to complete your section. For instance if RDRAM is specified as the type of RAM to be used, the System Board must be able to accept this type of memory. If the System Board team determines that SDRAM is superior, some discussion will need to be made to sort out which technology will perform better.

Criteria
Assume that licensing for the software is already owned:
Total budget: 3,750.00
Software: Catia, Maya, Adobe Premier, Macromedia Studio 8, Adobe CS, Windows Vista Professional, Microsoft Office, Novell Netware Client
Input/Output Devices: Firewire Hard Drive, Parallel Printer

Inclusion
Each section should discuss the advantages/disadvantages of the top three choices of hardware. Many factors may impact a particular decision. Students should also include a price for each of the top components and the vendor offering the product at that price. It will be helpful to ad a URL of the website to support your findings. The instructor will summarize the final computer specification along with the cost analysis of the total project and present it to the class the class session following the due date.
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post #5 of 14
Do you have to cost out by component?
post #6 of 14
The new Xeon's own the Conroe's if you have the money. As someone already said, a 16MB L3 On-Die cache? To die for..
    
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post #7 of 14
Before I give my answer what level of technical knowledge do they require to ascertain the hardware requirements for the system specification?

What year in school/college/university is that directed at also?
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Cost = any given peice, at any given time - example today newegg has a $50 rebate on X-fi platinums so they are $128.99, if I didn't already own one, yeah I'd buy it.
The 150g raptors also have a rebate so they are an even $200 (must put the debt card away)
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This is the basics
Intro to computers (I have to take it because it's a prereq, otherwise i'd be in intro to networking)
I would assume Freshman year, and it's at The University of Southern Maine
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post #10 of 14
I will give you my answer.

The system is designed preliminary for CAD driven applications correct?
These applications should be used in a workstation/server environment therefore if I myself had to design the system on a high level budget I would be using a Xeon system. The Xeon's are designed more for working with CAD applications than their equivalent desktop processors as well as large database systems.

However the desktop variant which you have specified, Conroe, does have the ability to perform these tasks at an acceptable level if paired with the correct hardware configuration.

With CAD if you are to design something to high level it requires a substantial amount of processing power and memory storage to complete the rendering (etc) of the image, design or equivalent that is being worked on.

However I do not wish you to take the design I wish to use seriously as it will over budget the system drastically as the CAD design work I am used to requires high end quad Xeon servers to process the information at acceptable rates.

I will therefore give you a Conroe based design to work with.

Please Note: The system that I am going to list will be using a 32 bit operating system and hardware configuration solely because Core 2 Duo has problems with the basic x86-64 instruction set and can not attain an acceptable speed at CAD packages using the specified instruction set.

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (The 4MB L2 cache really helps here as CAD is memory intense, the beauty about this processor is that its cheaper and can be overclocked very well if the additional performance is required).

Motherboard: ASUS P5B (Not much to say here, not super expensive but a very good board especially with onboard latency reduction abilities)

Memory: 4x 1GB memory (this can be basic, CAD does not require huge memory speeds or extreme latencies, it just requires a substantial amount of system memory) so even PC3200 DDR2 memory will do, however I would recommend at least PC5400 especially as then you don't have to run any dividers.

Graphics Card: NVIDIA Quadro FX 5500 (This is very expensive and with a few little modification or maybe none at all will work perfectly in this board, a single one will work fine to save costs).

Operating System: Windows XP Professional Edition will do I suppose

The rest is your decision I’ve just listed the important parts.

Anymore help, either complex or simple just ask, tried to keep this quite simple.
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