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They both don't have these problems altough the Kana seems not to track so well at higher CPI levels iirc, but there's a lot of information about this in the Kana threads.
I wasn't asking for informations. I asked why don't you use one of those two? 400 and 800 DPI steps of Kana are fine, max speed is over 3 m/s and the prediction is less than A3080 which is acceptable.
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It's when the mouse travels longer distances that it does affect aiming (like swiping and shooting or turning around and shooting).
Not really. I miss even on short distances as long as i move the mouse over 0.5-1 m/s.I thought getting rid of the negative acceleration will fix this, but it doesn't. I admit the Sensei feels a little better than Xai, but still completely inaccurate. I know people that are not affected by this, just like Skylit. But i can't imagine how one can choose this sensor over an optical one. I actually played 2-3 hours of cs 1.6 with Kana since my last post here and it feels like i can enjoy gaming again. Playing with the A9500 feels like driving a car with no steering wheel biggrin.gif
Edited by kaingosu - 1/25/12 at 2:00pm
post #42 of 64
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post

I wasn't asking for informations. I asked why don't you use one of those two? 400 and 800 DPI steps of Kana are fine, max speed is over 3 m/s and the prediction is less than A3080 which is acceptable.
Not really. I miss even on short distances as long as i move the mouse over 0.5-1 m/s.I thought getting rid of the negative acceleration will fix this, but it doesn't. I admit the Sensei feels a little better than Xai, but still completely inaccurate. I know people that are not affected by this, just like Skylit. But i can't imagine how one can choose this sensor over an optical one. I actually played 2-3 hours of cs 1.6 with Kana since my last post here and it feels like i can enjoy gaming again. Playing with the A9500 feels like driving a car with no steering wheel biggrin.gif

Ah OK I misunderstood that. Well I'll probably get a Zowie AM anyway as my Imperator 4G is going back. It's just that I fear it might jitter a little at it's higher CPI setting like my Deathadder 3G on the Icemat.

Also I'm not sure what you mean when you say "short distances", but just to clarify I meant that when the mouse travels for short distances on the pad and not when doing long swipes. Because honestly if you move the cursor only for 20 counts/pixels to aim for the head and you are off by 5% which would result to +/- 1 count than this really doesn't matter. On the other hand if you move it for 2000 counts because you have to turn around first and the crosshair is off by a whopping 100 counts, then I guarantee you that you'll miss biggrin.gif.

Of course this analogy is not 100% accurate as you'll always correct your moves automatically etc. but you can at least see why your muscle memory will have a hard time to adapt to such inconsistencies.
Edited by MONVMENTVM - 1/25/12 at 2:24pm
post #43 of 64
Why no consideration for the Corsair M90 as an alternative choice to the Naga?

Better placement on the multitude of side buttons, better sensor (in terms of z angle blah blah etc), ability to switch profiles on the fly.

No?
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Ah OK I misunderstood that. Well I'll probably get a Zowie AM anyway as my Imperator 4G is going back. It's just that I fear it might jitter a little at it's higher CPI setting like my Deathadder 3G on the Icemat.
How about the G400 then? As far as i know the higher CPI steps are fine and as long as you're used to Imperator/DA shape, i don't think you'll have a problem with G400.
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Also I'm not sure what you mean when you say "short distances", but just to clarify I meant that when the mouse travels for short distances on the pad and not when doing long swipes.
That's exactly what i meant. Although 20 pixels is too short. I'll say moving the cursor over 150-200 pixels with over 1 m/s triggers that positive acceleration or whatever.
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Of course this analogy is not 100% accurate as you'll always correct your moves automatically etc. but you can at least see why your muscle memory will have a hard time to adapt to such inconsistencies.

I agree 99% with this, except i can't adapt to it. I can accept it, but i don't see how one can adapt to something that's inconsistent. I had the Xai for 4-5 months and now the Sensei, but i simply can't use a mouse if i can't trust it to have perfect 1:1 tracking. The sensor has great potential though. I don't know if it's the 12000 fps or something else, but it feels very accurate and smooth when i move the mouse for short distances (something like <50 pixels like you said) or even longer distances as long as i don't exceed a certain speed.
post #45 of 64
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How about the G400 then? As far as i know the higher CPI steps are fine and as long as you're used to Imperator/DA shape, i don't think you'll have a problem with G400.

Apart from the lense the G400 uses basically the same sensor as the AM. The DA sensor isn't that far from it either, and while it works fine on my cloth pad it does have that jitter on my Icemat. Also I don't like the Deathadder shape at all. It's too big for me, too heavy, too slippery and that /__\ makes it even worse. Also the weird shape makes it turn inwards a little, which isn't good either. The Imperator is far better but I still prefer the Xai shape and feel. So I'll probably go for the AM and check out how it works on the Icemat. It's a good thing that I can return this one too if it isn't working well biggrin.gif.

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I agree 99% with this, except i can't adapt to it. I can accept it, but i don't see how one can adapt to something that's inconsistent. I had the Xai for 4-5 months and now the Sensei, but i simply can't use a mouse if i can't trust it to have perfect 1:1 tracking. The sensor has great potential though. I don't know if it's the 12000 fps or something else, but it feels very accurate and smooth when i move the mouse for short distances (something like <50 pixels like you said) or even longer distances as long as i don't exceed a certain speed.

Yeah basically that's it... you can't adapt to something pretty much random ^^.
post #46 of 64
I use my g9x's lazy grip for MMO's and Normal use, and use the small grip when I need to claw (FPS shooters).

I've got a g9x, naga, g5, logitech laser mouse, and have had a diamondback, deathadder, g9, and probably more.

I just love the G9X, out of all the many mice i've tried, it was the best imo. I might be slightly biased because I have never tried any of the SteelSeries or Roccat Mice.
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So... should I buy the Sensei or not? I'll make it easy:

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display dialog "should I buy a SteelSeries Sensei?" buttons {"yes", "no"} default button 1

if "no" returned, ask "what other mouse should I buy?"

else
end
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So... should I buy the Sensei or not? I'll make it easy:
Code:
display dialog "should I buy a SteelSeries Sensei?" buttons {"yes", "no"} default button 1
if "no" returned, ask "what other mouse should I buy?"
else
end
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No, I would get a Naga for the reasons I stated previously; claw grip, number pad and the sensor.
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They both don't have these problems altough the Kana seems not to track so well at higher CPI levels iirc, but there's a lot of information about this in the Kana threads.

Yeah, I do believe you but you're probably doing the most rail hits by strafing around anyway, which makes the mouse not that relevant. Also when you're doing small moves to aim at someone, the inconsistent tracking of the ADNS-9500 really won't matter... even when you move the mouse for 20 counts at +/- 5% inconsistency that would be a maximum of 1 count that's off. So in that case it really doesn't matter at all. It's when the mouse travels longer distances that it does affect aiming (like swiping and shooting or turning around and shooting). And the funny thing is that in these cases you'll probably blame the missing hit on yourself, even though you would have hit your target with a more consistent mouse. As I said it's hard to see or feel the inconsistency but it's still messing around biggrin.gif.

I'm aware my ceiling could be higher, but it's not going to make a difference If I'm unhappy using a mouse that dosen't fit my natural grip. I can point out the specific flaws of nearly every mouse on the market and find it really ironic that I come back to a sensor or rather architecture that made me go into heavy research about mice and the technology surrounding them. I was happy using an intellimouse for the longest time till I started expanding into more advanced tech. redface.gif

I think the A9500 is good tech, just underdeveloped.
post #50 of 64
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No, I would get a Naga for the reasons I stated previously; claw grip, number pad and the sensor.

Can't recommend the Naga because of a big Razer fail either. The firmware has this Dynamic DPI Scaling activated by default by Razer, which produces acceleration which is even worse than with mice like the Sensei, G9x etc. The sensor would actually work perfectly fine without acceleration but Razer implemented this to reduce jitter when clicking the mouse for example.

Unfortunately nobody can be sure if Razer will release a firmware without DPI Scaling again, but I guess the only way is to tell people about it and hope that Razer finally listens as soon as the word spreads around. This DPI scaling got activated first in the Mamba 3.5G with the firmware upgrade to 1.07. As basically any other Razer mouse with this sensor got released after this point, they all have it by default.
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