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Great find. At the very least, this might lead to an alternative treatment option for cancer patients! thumb.gif

And then theres this...
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Angela recently entered her project in the national Siemens science contest. It was no contest. She got a check for $100,000 and promptly bought about a dozen more pairs of shoes.

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Cool. So you believe, that if there does exist patients that have been cured from cancer over his treatment measures, that people should not hear about his work because somehow, it is unethical to provide any sort of marketing measures to give the public attention to a possible method to curing cancer.
I'm sorry, but what is your argument again? Marketing is bad and inheritable evil? Oh, well, thanks for sharing. As for your other point, it would not have been met into the academic world if it was not peer reviewed.
This is incredibly off-topic.

Making an ad campaign and disguising it as a Documentary is unethical. His science has been proven unreproducible by ANYONE. Learn 2 Science kid. First rule of all serious science is that if you can't do something and show someone else how to do it, THEN IT IS USELESS AND NOT SCIENCE.

Also learn to read.
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Ok then fellow Long Islander, I'll drop it like it's hot.
Susan G. Komen foundation raised $400 Million in earnings (wikipedia article) in 2009-2010. Now that is only one organization. If you added all the other non-profits that raised money for cancer in just 2009-2010 (for the sake of argument) let's say the total was $2 Billion. Now the average cost of Chemotherapy is between $100 - $30,000.
For the sake of argument we'll take a whole number like $10,000 (article stating the cost is here). Keep that number in mind.
20.9% of $400 Million is about $83.6 Million.
Pfizer made $67.8 Billion in 2010 (wikipedia). Then spent $9.48 Billion in Research and Development in 2010 (link to article). "Pfizer says it is just the beginning, and it is pouring 12% of its $8 billion annual research budget into developing new cancer medicines--making oncology second only to heart disease as a priority. " (proof). We'll take the lower number for the sake of argument,...$8 Billion.
So 12% of $8 Billion is $960 million.
How can you not find a cure for ANYTHING with $1Billion dollars at your disposal (from Pfizer & Susan G. Koman)?
When you look at how much money these Pharmaceutics have been making in the past Ten Years and how much of it has gone to research, you have to ask yourself
"Why no cure?"
It can't be a shortage of money for research.
So what could it be that's preventing a "cure" from being released to the public?

I understand your reasoning from another point of view, but I still stand by my thought that there is no conspiracy. The thing that's preventing a "cure" from being released to the public is that it hasn't been discovered yet. An abundance of research money does not necessarily equal to an abundance of cures. You can pay 100 archaeologists 100 billion dollars each to find that one strand of Ferdinand Magellan's hair that fell in Europe before he set sail for the east and it's just not going to happen that fast. Matter of fact, that hair might not be there anymore. Similar with cancer. We won't know if there is a cure until it is found.
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cancer is a genetic mutation, it hasn't been cured because were just now reaching into genetics and being able to do things like rna/dna manipulation. It'll come but were still in the infant steps, I don't see why people are boggled about a cure. There is no cure because the science is just now getting there.
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Just getting there is kind of a stretch. Back in 1978 genetic engineering was already used in real-world applications.
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Just getting there is kind of a stretch. Back in 1978 genetic engineering was already used in real-world applications.

There's a difference between genetic engineering in plants & bacteria and in human beings. Genetic engineering in the context you're talking about involves introducing changes into the germ line by altering the DNA of gametes (or bacteria, which are single-celled organisms). This isn't an option when a person already consists of trillions of cells. Even with single-cell manipulations, the efficiency is low. We don't have genetic engineering capability for multicellular organisms once they are past the embryo stage; there's simply too many cells. The only real option right now is using viruses, and that didn't go well (not that using viruses in an inherently bad approach; we just haven't figured out how to engineer them to be safe yet).
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when a cure for cancer is found it will be in the times a cure to lessen age has been found maybe 20-30years from now
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There's a difference between genetic engineering in plants & bacteria and in human beings. Genetic engineering in the context you're talking about involves introducing changes into the germ line by altering the DNA of gametes (or bacteria, which are single-celled organisms). This isn't an option when a person already consists of trillions of cells. Even with single-cell manipulations, the efficiency is low. We don't have genetic engineering capability for multicellular organisms once they are past the embryo stage; there's simply too many cells. The only real option right now is using viruses, and that didn't go well (not that using viruses in an inherently bad approach; we just haven't figured out how to engineer them to be safe yet).

I'm well aware of that. My response was in light of this comment:
"...it hasn't been cured because were just now reaching into genetics and being able to do things like rna/dna manipulation". In which i don't think 34 years is too recent of a time frame.
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No matter what ends up coming of this, it's still damn impressive.
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