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I think the GPU race is running way ahead of the actual game graphics race. As an older nVidia article stated, you need 8-10x more GPU power to get visuals looking roughly 2x as good. Engines like Cryengine 3 and Frostbyte 2 can indeed make even the most powerful GPUs break a sweat but only at Ultra settings, which look roughly 5% better than Medium/High settings while killing framerates by 30-40% - why?

We live in a world where the majority of PC gamers continue to run 60hz LCD monitors (which has actually gone BACKWARDS compared to the old 100-150hz+ CRT gaming monitors of the old days) so when blowing $500-1000 on GPU alone, what is the point when you don't see anything beyond 60fps?

We need 120hz monitors to become more commonplace if we're to see these GPU's fully utilized. No, multi-monitor setups running at 5700x1600 doesn't count as "stressing" the GPU because the all games looks terribad with thick monitor bezels in the middle.
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Originally Posted by Tippy View Post

I think the GPU race is running way ahead of the actual game graphics race. As an older nVidia article stated, you need 8-10x more GPU power to get visuals looking roughly 2x as good. Engines like Cryengine 3 and Frostbyte 2 can indeed make even the most powerful GPUs break a sweat but only at Ultra settings, which look roughly 5% better than Medium/High settings while killing framerates by 30-40% - why?
We live in a world where the majority of PC gamers continue to run 60hz LCD monitors (which has actually gone BACKWARDS compared to the old 100-150hz+ CRT gaming monitors of the old days) so when blowing $500-1000 on GPU alone, what is the point when you don't see anything beyond 60fps?
We need 120hz monitors to become more commonplace if we're to see these GPU's fully utilized. No, multi-monitor setups running at 5700x1600 doesn't count as "stressing" the GPU because the all games looks terribad with thick monitor bezels in the middle.

i guess even the current HD 7970 dosent gives more than 100fps running crysis on full glory ? rectify me if im wrong !

but still i strongly agree , in a age where games are usually ported to PC from consoles running a GPU which performs like HD 4870 max yes as for today GPU > AAA Titles with EPIC Grafics , seriously most of the games for PC in a year will be ported and just 2-3 good grafical games similar to witcher 2 , BF3 , Crysis 2 will be released frown.gif , knowing in windows 8 where XBL will be integrated into windows ...

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Edited by LUNAR - 1/23/12 at 7:35pm
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post #154 of 165
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Originally Posted by Homeles View Post

We have no idea what the pricing is going to be. I'd guess it's going to go head to head against the 7950, so it'd be around $400. I highly doubt the pricing on the 79xx cards are going to stay the same when Nvidia's in the picture though.
I'm still not reading this article as "the new mid range card ties with AMD's high end card!!!!" It says it'll compete with 79xx, and given that the 560 Ti = the 6950 more or less, the mid range cards from Nvidia were already competing with AMD's high end. So there's nothing special here... Nvidia's simply going to be on roughly the same level with AMD as they were with their last generation.

Thats exactly what I thought when I first read this article. It says 7900 series, not 7970. So basically 660/760 = 7950.. roughly. Nothing to see here.
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Thats exactly what I thought when I first read this article. It says 7900 series, not 7970. So basically 660/760 = 7950.. roughly. Nothing to see here.

This softpedia article is regurgitating Charlie's info from semiaccurate. Charlie's twitter, the one dated Jan. 9 that references his Kepler vs. GCN article clearly states GK104 vs 7970.
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This softpedia article is regurgitating Charlie's info from semiaccurate. Charlie's twitter, the one dated Jan. 9 that references his Kepler vs. GCN article clearly states GK104 vs 7970.

This article or somethin else? I didn't see where it says 7970 specifically here...

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/19/nvidia-kepler-vs-amd-gcn-has-a-clear-winner/
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Nvidia Kepler vs AMD GCN has a clear winner
Guess who wins this round?
Jan 19, 2012 in analysis, Channel, Desktop, Finance, Gaming, Graphics, Mobile, Opinion, Rumors

by Charlie Demerjian

A lot of people have been asking about Kepler/GK104, and we finally have some hard information. Unfortunately, we can’t post it or certain classes of moles go extinct, but there are some things we can say.

The short story is that Nvidia (NASDAQ:NVDA) will win this round on just about every metric, some more than others. Look for late March or early April availability, with volumes being the major concern at first. GK104 cards seen by SemiAccurate all look very polished and complete, far from rough prototypes or “Puppies“. A2 silicon is now back from TSMC, and that will likely be the production stepping barring any last second hitches. Currently, there aren’t any.

For the doubters, both of the current cards we saw have two DVI plugs on the bottom, one HDMI, and one DP with a half slot cooling grate on one of the two slot end plates. The chip is quite small, and has 8 GDDR5 chips meaning a 256-bit bus/2GB standard, and several other features we can’t talk about yet due to differences between the cards seen. These items won’t change the outcome though, Nvidia wins, handily.S|A
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560ti performs like 6950. 660 equal to 580 seems bout right...

Stock it performs like an OC 6870
    
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I think the GPU race is running way ahead of the actual game graphics race. As an older nVidia article stated, you need 8-10x more GPU power to get visuals looking roughly 2x as good. Engines like Cryengine 3 and Frostbyte 2 can indeed make even the most powerful GPUs break a sweat but only at Ultra settings, which look roughly 5% better than Medium/High settings while killing framerates by 30-40% - why?
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We need 120hz monitors to become more commonplace if we're to see these GPU's fully utilized. No, multi-monitor setups running at 5700x1600 doesn't count as "stressing" the GPU because the all games looks terribad with thick monitor bezels in the middle.

It's not all about better graphics at the same amount of power, it's more often about similar graphics at less power. Without continuing advances in technology we couldn't have phones in our pockets in 3-5 years that will be running Crysis (guarantee this will happen), or tablets running 1080p 3D games, or netbooks with even remotely playable 3D gaming capabilities.

And don't worry, the graphics race will heat back up when the next-gen consoles come out. Developers always shoot for the largest target market for their games, and that is often consoles, so many AAA titles aren't using graphics capabilities of PCs very well just because of the amount of work it takes to develop for a console and then scale way up for PCs. Once next-gen consoles come out console capabilities will once again be close to PCs and suddenly developers will be able to utilize high-end PC hardware much more easily and cheaply than they can now.
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Stock it performs like an OC 6870

this is true, but this is also OCN so there is no acceptation for the best. the 6870s are IMO one of the most underated cards out currently. spend <$400(for two) and get amazing graphics performance, trumps the 580 and 6970. plus they oc like champs. even the 6850s are pretty outstanding when it comes to price/performance. and IMO are still the kings(6850/6870) of that ratio.
    
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this is true, but this is also OCN so there is no acceptation for the best. the 6870s are IMO one of the most underated cards out currently. spend <$400(for two) and get amazing graphics performance, trumps the 580 and 6970. plus they oc like champs. even the 6850s are pretty outstanding when it comes to price/performance. and IMO are still the kings(6850/6870) of that ratio.

Very much agreed about the 6850/6870 price/performance king. That is why I am having a hard time deciding on a single 7950 or a 7870 cfx setup for my gpu upgrade.
    
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