Originally Posted by bojinglebells
Even nVidia's initial fumble with Fermi, the GTX460 still turned out to be faster than the 285. When they finally fixed it with the 560Ti it was even faster. Why would it be unreasonable to expect that trend to continue with the GTX660/760 to be faster than the GTX580? It seems unlikely that nVidia will fumble with Kepler as badly as they did with Fermi...
You have to keep in mind that GCN is a departure from gaming performance efficiency to focus more on improving HPC / GPGPU performance, and thus there is a loss in gaming efficiency. While you might see AMD being conservative with the 7970's clock rate when you look at how much overclocking headroom it has, when we look at the fact that the 7970 is currently consuming more power under load than the 6970, what we really see is that AMD clocked the 7970 just enough to make sure it beat the 580 by a tangible margin across the board, rather than sticking with previously established load power consumption levels with the 6970 and then potentially tying or losing to the GTX580, even if only in just a benchmark or two.
Actually the GTX 460 1GB was on-par with the GTX 285 (within 5% according to the reviews). Furthermore, that's not comparable to the rumors brought up in this article. If we were to hypothesize a comparable situation, it would be like NVIDIA's GTX 460 1GB being faster than not only the GTX 285 but also on-par with the HD 5870. Except in this hypothetical scenario the GTX 460 would have been released a mere 2-3 months after the 5870. That is what the GTX 760 Ti will allegedly be versus the 580 and the 7970, and I don't believe it.
And yes, the clock speeds are intelligently arrived at to produce the right product price and performance relative to the competition. This, again, has driven prices upward.
Originally Posted by blackbalt89
I laugh at all the naysayers that are telling everyone to take this with a grain of salt just because they can't believe that the new mid range card trumps AMDs $550 price/performance abomination.
You people need to learn to never say never.
What does that make the GTX 580 right now?Edited by friend'scatdied - 1/20/12 at 3:44pm