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I think we all know that this is plainly untrue.

Don't try to ruin my point here... I was on a roll and everything rolleyes.gif

But in all seriousnes, I would not be surprised if some actually end up spending 100-200$ more simply because they want that DCII or whatever cooler on the card instead of doing a cheap AIO mod. That said, in general air cooling is the cheaper option wink.gif
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Seriously? I seems like a logical step to me, people have been watercooling GPUs for a long time so why not AIO... Oh well I guess people will always defend what is familiar to them, and ofcourse they won't admit that the 2-300$ extra they spent on better cooling for their cards was for nothing.
You know, not all water cooling parts are expensive. : /

Comparing a $20 Chinese block vs a Corsair H75 on my 780 Ti @ 1250MHz 1.212V, the $20 block gets 36C maximum under load while the H75 gets up to 65C (tested on an open air bench with the same ambient temps for both runs).

The rest of the loop is cheap too, $20 cpu block, $30 Pump & top combo, homemade res & a free 520x120x30mm aluminium rad (with only two 120mm fans on it).
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You know, not all water cooling parts are expensive. : /

Comparing a $20 Chinese block vs a Corsair H75 on my 780 Ti @ 1250MHz 1.212V, the $20 block gets 36C maximum under load while the H75 gets up to 65C (tested on an open air bench with the same ambient temps for both runs).

The rest of the loop is cheap too, $20 cpu block, $30 Pump & top combo, homemade res & a free 520x120x30mm aluminium rad (with only two 120mm fans on it).

was more or less refering to people choosing larger coolers on the cards they buy stock. Custom watercooling is an entirelly different beast.
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Its early into the life cycle for this cooling type. It was never a true watercooling replacement nor will it ever be in its current state. It offers tangible benifits over most stock air coolers but it has never offered cooling to anything beyond die cooling. Pcb cooling currently air cooled. We need to develop a full cover block with an aio attached. Remove the fan and have the aio leach all heat generated from the card. Evolution
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Its early into the life cycle for this cooling type. It was never a true watercooling replacement nor will it ever be in its current state. It offers tangible benifits over most stock air coolers but it has never offered cooling to anything beyond die cooling. Pcb cooling currently air cooled. We need to develop a full cover block with an aio attached. Remove the fan and have the aio leach all heat generated from the card. Evolution

not entirelly sure how you would go about making a universal AIO unit for cooling the entire card, but the closest we have to a complete solution like you are proposing would be what the Fury X uses. That is a standard AIO unit with VRM cooling added in to the loop itself.

I suppose something along the lines of the Alphacool cooling plates where you would have the block itself includedin a ready to go loop with just simply copper plates for each specific card that you would screw on would work, but I'm not sure how to market that.
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Its early into the life cycle for this cooling type. It was never a true watercooling replacement nor will it ever be in its current state. It offers tangible benifits over most stock air coolers but it has never offered cooling to anything beyond die cooling. Pcb cooling currently air cooled. We need to develop a full cover block with an aio attached. Remove the fan and have the aio leach all heat generated from the card. Evolution

not entirelly sure how you would go about making a universal AIO unit for cooling the entire card, but the closest we have to a complete solution like you are proposing would be what the Fury X uses. That is a standard AIO unit with VRM cooling added in to the loop itself.

I suppose something along the lines of the Alphacool cooling plates where you would have the block itself includedin a ready to go loop with just simply copper plates for each specific card that you would screw on would work, but I'm not sure how to market that.[/quot

I was thinking closer to a cnc machined copper block. you attach it like a regular water block but the area around the die would allow for a aio to attach. i have a half finished prototype but i havent worked on it in a few years. I have no idea if it will work redface.gif
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I was thinking closer to a cnc machined copper block. you attach it like a regular water block but the area around the die would allow for a aio to attach. i have a half finished prototype but i havent worked on it in a few years. I have no idea if it will work redface.gif

I see, so it's more in line with the Alphacool NexXxos GPX concept then where you would have a separate unit and just swap out the heatsink for each graphics card and mount eh block on to that. Swiftech also used to ahve a similar concept at one point, but I think alphacool is the only who actually went full out with an AIO version (which I actually havent seen much about since it was teased last year).

Or are you referring more to something where you would hook up the cooling plate in to the loop? It's possible but would defeat the purpose of a closed loop, maybe something like the Alphacool cooling plates combined with a copper plate for each GPU would work, but then I think something like smaller plates that just cover VRM would be far more favorable due to the lower cost.

It's good to get other ideas out there though, we can't exactly have any progress without people questioning the status quo.
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Oh my... I don't have words for how missguided those guys are. First of all it's easy to test temperatures when an air cooler gets cool air like a radiator would, just put it in a test bench and you have your results imediatly. Air cooling has it's merrits, but to blindly reject everything else is misguided to a level that I don't even care to explain.

Oh well, at any rate members of this club can enjoy their super cool cards (both in temperatures and looks) while the nay sayers continue to blindly reject the results.

Yup. I tried, but I gave up. They'll figure it out in a few years, I imagine, but here, we'll just take performance now, hehe.
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It use to be worse, going back a few years posting nonsense like using a aio on a gpu could/has earned permabans from some sites. We have come along way thumb.gif

Oh, ugh, really? That's...disappointing. Instant clue: these people are afraid of change.
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Its early into the life cycle for this cooling type. It was never a true watercooling replacement nor will it ever be in its current state. It offers tangible benifits over most stock air coolers but it has never offered cooling to anything beyond die cooling. Pcb cooling currently air cooled. We need to develop a full cover block with an aio attached. Remove the fan and have the aio leach all heat generated from the card. Evolution

Exactly. Die cooling is all it's meant to do. I think, personally, making a full cover block would be difficult, with various RAM locations and various VRM locations. Unless, you just make a flat block that touches the entire PCB? But...things have different heights, so you'd be restricted to only touching the tallest component.

In my mind....the next step should be: GPU AIB manufacturers try to tweak their PCBs slightly that would allow the standard VRM/VRAM heatsinks to continue to fit with an AIO. That would be an instant selling point, at least for me.

And...this is even crazier...but they offer a way to "mount" the included GPU fans in a nearby PCIe slot, so you can just reuse those for cooling the VRM/VRAM heatsinks. That way, it's a much more easy install.

I mean, that's how CPUs are now, right? Just die cooling. The VRMs & memory cooling are from the motherboard cooling setup, not your CPU cooler. In that way...GPUs should be designed more like motherboards. Lay them out however you want! But, make sure that VRMs & VRAM have sufficient heatsink dissipation, even if the stock die cooler is removed.


In a completely unrelated topic, how are you all managing your AIO's fans and pump speeds? Do you link them with your GPU core temperatures, somehow? I saw a few people using this:

https://www.argotronic.com/en/index.php

Can we do it with the thankfully free Speedfan?
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Yup. I tried, but I gave up. They'll figure it out in a few years, I imagine, but here, we'll just take performance now, hehe.
Oh, ugh, really? That's...disappointing. Instant clue: these people are afraid of change.
Exactly. Die cooling is all it's meant to do. I think, personally, making a full cover block would be difficult, with various RAM locations and various VRM locations. Unless, you just make a flat block that touches the entire PCB? But...things have different heights, so you'd be restricted to only touching the tallest component.

In my mind....the next step should be: GPU AIB manufacturers try to tweak their PCBs slightly that would allow the standard VRM/VRAM heatsinks to continue to fit with an AIO. That would be an instant selling point, at least for me.

And...this is even crazier...but they offer a way to "mount" the included GPU fans in a nearby PCIe slot, so you can just reuse those for cooling the VRM/VRAM heatsinks. That way, it's a much more easy install.

I mean, that's how CPUs are now, right? Just die cooling. The VRMs & memory cooling are from the motherboard cooling setup, not your CPU cooler. In that way...GPUs should be designed more like motherboards. Lay them out however you want! But, make sure that VRMs & VRAM have sufficient heatsink dissipation, even if the stock die cooler is removed.


In a completely unrelated topic, how are you all managing your AIO's fans and pump speeds? Do you link them with your GPU core temperatures, somehow? I saw a few people using this:

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Can we do it with the thankfully free Speedfan?

I used to use Speedfan for that, but youre way better off just running the pump at 100% all the time. the performance difference is quite significant when adjusting pump speeds on these things. The best course of action in my eyes is to run pump directly from 12v on the PSU (unless you have something like the NZXT coolers which actually get decent power due to the separate power connector). Then just use Speedfan to adjust radiator fan speeds dependent on GPU temps and if you have fans over VRMs, you could set them up to adjust depending on VRM temps.
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I used to use Speedfan for that, but youre way better off just running the pump at 100% all the time. the performance difference is quite significant when adjusting pump speeds on these things. The best course of action in my eyes is to run pump directly from 12v on the PSU (unless you have something like the NZXT coolers which actually get decent power due to the separate power connector). Then just use Speedfan to adjust radiator fan speeds dependent on GPU temps and if you have fans over VRMs, you could set them up to adjust depending on VRM temps.

OK, awesome. Thank you! So, Speedfan doesn't have issues picking up GPU core temperatures and GPU VRM temps? I knew about core temps, but VRM temperatures are great. I thought I'd just run that fan at 30% all the time.
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