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unfortunately for AMD cpu performance isn't a subjective thing like coke vs pepsi. It's an objective and quantifiable thing, which we call benchmarks. on those benchmarks bulldozer comes in behind intel. And it's just raw peromance we're talking about here, even we normalize the results for price intel is still ahead.
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unfortunately for AMD cpu performance isn't a subjective thing like coke vs pepsi. It's an objective and quantifiable thing, which we call benchmarks. on those benchmarks bulldozer comes in behind intel. And it's just raw peromance we're talking about here, even we normalize the results for price intel is still ahead.

It is very subjective, because performance depends on the workload and there is no way to simulate "real world'' usage.
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I got a brilliant idea. How about quad core but with higher clock speed.
    
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AMD FX is the slowest CPU on the market in it's price range in 90% of all consumer workloads

fixed

FX will blow everything Intel has to offer out of the water if it's utilized properly, but that's EXTREMELY rare. BD is worth it if you run a server or are in the HPC crowd, that's it
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So this should be equal to a 2500k or a 2600k if it's lucky?
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I will be happy if they just make a CPU 4/6/8 watever that just performs 100%
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Originally Posted by Seronx View Post

APU moniker just means it has a GPU both are APUs
i3 $150~ HD2000
A8 $150~ 6550D
It's a given that the A8 will always win

That isn't true at all. Tests have shown the i3 utterly dominates the A8 in CPU Performance, while the A8 is better than the i3 in GPU performance. So neither is better, and it comes out to a draw.
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Originally Posted by trumpet-205 View Post

With AMD sponsoring the test.

A blind test, everything should be equal.
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I'm surprised. Either the test and/or the results are illegitimate or... umm... nice job. But we all know that if there were two or three 7970s, the results would probably be much different.

Or, for the people who do independent thought and don't just blindly follow OCN, realise there's not much difference between CPUs for gaming. The only game that showed a difference between a Core 2 Duo E6700 @ 2.6Ghz and a Phenom II x3 720 @ 3.6Ghz was BF3. Literally.
The Phenom II has faster RAM, exact same OS install, exact same HDDs, exact same GPU, PSU, etc.
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What about software wise? This test will be more believable if it is sponsored by a third-party group where Intel and AMD are not involved.
From statistical standpoint this is a biased test (Sorry).

While true, the point is still very valid and I'm pretty sure the results would carry over no matter who did it.
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Spoiler alert: the 20% performance gain in Vishera is due to 25% more cores. You guys can do the math thumb.gif

20% performance gain was actually for a 4 core PD chip versus a 4 core Llano iirc, but nice try.
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The 28 undecided votes really speak for the test. The truth is that gaming performance at high levels like that wont see much difference. All this "bottlenecking" talk has really overwhelmed the community. Having so many undecided votes shows that with either chip you wont be bottlenecking. It's not like they compared the i3 to the 8150 tongue.gif

QFT. Even the i3 would only show very small amounts of bottlenecking, if any. Apart from SupCom and a handful of other games I'd be surprised if I found a difference between my 720 and a 3770k @ 5.6Ghz.
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LOL, comparing iGPU performance... Like anybody would spend $500 on a PC for an i3...
Also lol at subjective opinions on what "feels" faster when benchmarks tell the real story.
Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Benchmarks are irrelevant when they show differences that aren't going to amount to anything. (eg. Getting 125fps vs 120fps minimum, doesn't matter in the slightest.)

I actually want to see a 3rd party benchmark, with complete unedited video of people trying it out and saying which system they think is which.


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Anyone else concerned that GPGPU will take over and Intel's next-gen graphics will do the exact same thing the 10 Vishera cores are doing? If not, maybe you should be. Haswell is rumored to use Larrabee cores for the GPU, and these use x86... core king will be changing rather quickly.

Even if Haswell uses Larrabee based cores for the iGPU, programs still need to come out to use it. And considering that GPGPU is pretty much the "MORE CORES = BETTER" approach, I doubt that'll happen fast.
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Yeah, as this entire article is a typo too.
You want real world tests: single core IPC. That's real world. AMD hasn't won in real world tests since 2006. Learn to use the best processor regardless of the name attached to it for once. This is OCN afterall, not blind fayboy pride.com The last great AMD processor was the FX-60

Real-world tests would be "GPU speed, power consumption and price" to be honest. Most people don't notice the difference.

And the Thuban chips are great, not everyone can afford Sandy Bridge.
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unfortunately for AMD cpu performance isn't a subjective thing like coke vs pepsi. It's an objective and quantifiable thing, which we call benchmarks. on those benchmarks bulldozer comes in behind intel. And it's just raw peromance we're talking about here, even we normalize the results for price intel is still ahead.

Once again...If the benchmarks show an unrealistic difference, or don't show something that does make or break the experience, etc then how are they showing the correct data?
According to benchmarks there should be a world of difference between a 2.6Ghz dual core and a 3.6Ghz tri core with higher IPC in gaming. There isn't, at least to me.
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That isn't true at all. Tests have shown the i3 utterly dominates the A8 in CPU Performance, while the A8 is better than the i3 in GPU performance. So neither is better, and it comes out to a draw.

ARM=/=x86

It's like trying to compare apples to oranges. Yes, you could run a program that is coded for both ARM and x86, like DOOM for example and benchmark it, but understand that most of the real games that you would run are generally x86 only.

This means that while the A8 might be powerful enough to play a game like Half-Life, it never will because the code has never been ported to it.

I say the i3 wins.
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I agree that the blind test sponsored by AMD is biased, but not as biased as a lot of people seem to want to make out.
(Also more biased than a lot of different people want to make out, but that's another story...)



You see, being done through gaming, the FPS and limitations of the game varies hugely. For instance, Skyrim is *hugely* CPU bound (at the moment) due to coding. Even my 6850 is bottlenecked by my CPU, post-modding in the majority of instances.

Skyrim also only works on two cores. Intel processors have higher per-thread performance than AMD processors (in general), so were Skyrim one of the tests and both processors were unoverclocked, a locked i3 would likely get better performance than AMD's Bulldozer.


I know that that's simply one example, but surely it illustrates how if you have any say over what games get tested at all, you are creating a slight bias?


What I will admit (and others should too) is that in the games played, this test was (or at least, appears to be) a valid test.


Edit:
And to the post above me, you seem to have missed the point a little. The "A8" is not referring to a Cortex A8, but to AMD's A8, as shown here:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/a-series/Pages/a-series-model-number-comparison.aspx
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