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Originally Posted by Rookie1337 View Post

Really I've seen that AMD in certain programs just gets hammered by Intel because the programs just favor Intel for some reason. A lot of MS programs sure do. Unless AMD can make it where the unloaded cores can help out with the threads/loads being put on the other cores then adding more cores isn't really going to help much outside of well threaded programs. Come to think of it...why can't cores double up on a single thread(I wish I knew something about programming/architecture design)?

The idea of "reverse hyperthreading" was tossed around a while back and canned. Back then, everyone assumed that every program would be elegantly multithreaded and optimized for many cores within a few years. Why wouldn't it be, it's the future! Right?

I'm still waiting for the future. Reverse hyperthreading would be a monumental architectural challenge too, and I can't picture AMD or Intel taking a risk as big as that.

Intel CPUs hammer AMD ones in very lightly threaded programs, or in programs that support Intel instruction sets. In multi-threaded scenarios, dollar for dollar, they're very close.
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Interconnect bottleneck*
I know very well the 990FX Chipsets HT Link can't handle 4x8 or 1x16+2x8 but Two GPU setups and One GPU setups should run just fine unless the drivers were BETA
That is why Terramar/Sepang/Komodo/(Trinity) all have PCI-E 3.0 Links
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That is a chipset thing
FX-8150
NB has 42(32) PCI-E 2.0 Links connected through an 8.8GB/s connection(HT 2.2GHz = 16bits x 2.2GHz x DDR = 70.4 Gbits/8 = 8.8GB/s there might be a buffer as well(that is send and receive so Bulldozer can receive 8.8GB/s of data and send 8.8GB/s of data)
vs
i7 3930K
CPU has 40(32) PCI-E 3.0 Links direct links 2 x 16? PCI-E 3.0
Until Bulldozer gets direct links with no buffer we will never know about the CPU that is probably why they are going to PCI-E 3.0 connections vs HT-Links
6990 is two GPUs on one die...
I said one or two GPUs not four GPUs
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PCI-E 3.0 is 1GB/s per lane and there are 32 lanes in x16 one for send and one for receive but unlike Hypertransport it isn't included or added(Hypertransport for 990FX says it 20.8GB/s which is 2.6GHz((16 x 2.6 x DDR)/8 = 10.4 GB/s x 2 it equals 20.8GB/s but in reality the actual clock rate is 2.2GHz not 2.6GHz)
Most Single GPU cards use 4GB/s(Send and Receive) 4GB/s = 250MB/s per lane 4000/250 = 16 Lanes @ PCI-e 1.0 x16 Speed or PCI-e 2.0 x8
Most Dual GPU cards use 8GB/s(Send and Receive) 8GB/s = 500MB/s per lane 8000/500 = 16 Lanes @ PCI-e 2.0 x16 Speed or PCI-e 3.0 x8
RAID cards use full bandwidth most of the time...so PCI-E 3.0 is a must
So, two dual GPUs will most likely use 16GB/s and if it is a shared bus called Hypetransport that has a slow interconnect speed of 8.8GB/s you are going to get bottlenecks
Having a Private Link like on the LGA 2011 Platform vs Having a Shared Link like on the AM3+ Platform shows the age of the chipset AMD is using

You're pathetic at searching excuses for bulldozers bad Multi-GPU performance. I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you that you're TOTALLY WRONG.
It has been proven several times already that PCIe bandwidth, as of now, does NOT MATTER.

Here's a small review concerning the PCIe bandwidths.

As you can see, PCIe 2.0 8x/8x compared to 16x/16x does only make a difference as small as 2,7% in terms of GTX 570 SLI performance, thats NOTHING for gods sake.
Hell, they even tested single GPU's at PCIe x4 and it merely made a difference of around 5% compared to 16x.

Your whole point is invalid, the mere reason for BD bottlenecking MGPU-setups is its terrible performance, not a bandwidth related problem, get it now?
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AMD FX is the fastest CPU on the market in it's price range in 90% of all consumer workloads
2011-2012 Zambezi = Fastest
2012-2013 Vishera(AM3+/1090FX)/Komodo(FM2/A85FX) = Fastest
2013-2014 40h-4Fh(FMx/AX5FX) = Fastest
2014-2015 60h-6Fh(FMx(AX5FX) = Fastest

This has pretty much proven that youre just a troll.
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Originally Posted by Phoenixlight View Post

Well that's just not true at all...

It is.
An FX-8150 or Thuban X6 does not perform better than an i3-2120, see here. (review about CPU bottlenecks)
Edited by toX0rz - 1/22/12 at 10:17am
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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/157?vs=289
It's more pathetic on the developer's part. Everyone's pushing multi-core CPUs, yet almost every game is a horridly unoptimized console port that can't use more than one core or more than 4gb of memory.

Agreed
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Or as other people have said MOAR THREADZ
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1838/1/
In other news
The AMD Reality Check Results:
System C (Intel Core i7-2700K): 40 Votes
System D (AMD FX-8150): 73 Votes
No Difference: 28 Votes
FX-8150 won thumb.gif

I was there, I was one of the ones who voted D. It was very close and I couldn't put my finger on why, but I just liked the D rig better. And fyi, they refused to tell me what the system differences were even after I voted because they didn't want anyone saying anything that could skew the results. Really awesome event overall, glad I got to see these results.
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Can you elaborate your question?
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The idea of "reverse hyperthreading" was tossed around a while back and canned. Back then, everyone assumed that every program would be elegantly multithreaded and optimized for many cores within a few years. Why wouldn't it be, it's the future! Right?
I'm still waiting for the future. Reverse hyperthreading would be a monumental architectural challenge too, and I can't picture AMD or Intel taking a risk as big as that.
Intel CPUs hammer AMD ones in very lightly threaded programs, or in programs that support Intel instruction sets. In multi-threaded scenarios, dollar for dollar, they're very close.

^Kind of that. Basically why couldn't unused cores be allowed to work on the the loads that were put on the other cores?
     
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^Kind of that. Basically why couldn't unused cores be allowed to work on the the loads that were put on the other cores?

If a program does not code of it, it cannot be used. That simple.

If a program does not code for the use of 2 cores, 3 cores, 4 cores, etc, it will only use one core. It will not magically use other core.
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Considering how Trinity mobile APU's performed, I expect highly from Piledriver.
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Originally Posted by brucethemoose View Post

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/157?vs=289
It's more pathetic on the developer's part. Everyone's pushing multi-core CPUs, yet almost every game is a horridly unoptimized console port that can't use more than one core or more than 4gb of memory.

This, thank you.
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The idea of "reverse hyperthreading" was tossed around a while back and canned. Back then, everyone assumed that every program would be elegantly multithreaded and optimized for many cores within a few years. Why wouldn't it be, it's the future! Right?
I'm still waiting for the future. Reverse hyperthreading would be a monumental architectural challenge too, and I can't picture AMD or Intel taking a risk as big as that.
Intel CPUs hammer AMD ones in very lightly threaded programs, or in programs that support Intel instruction sets. In multi-threaded scenarios, dollar for dollar, they're very close.

Reverse HT is impossible... according to JF at least
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An FX-8150 or Thuban X6 does not perform better than an i3-2120

"hurr all 'pooterz do is play single-threaded vidja durr"

you're just as bad as seronx. my X6 renders more than twice as fast as an i3-2120.
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If a program does not code of it, it cannot be used. That simple.
If a program does not code for the use of 2 cores, 3 cores, 4 cores, etc, it will only use one core. It will not magically use other core.

Thanks. I hate being stupid. redface.gif Now all the sudden I feel more angst towards software than hardware now.
     
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You sure?
Yes, aside from the low resolution testing and Anandtech being biased and not always testing fairly you can see in the Starcraft 2 Benchamark that the 8150 beats the i3.
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