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post #61 of 364
8/4/12 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by vss vintorez View Post

They'll allow to modify the lod, to me this means:
- Put the lod low and u get low tracking rates.
- Put the lod high and u get high tracking rates

Depends on implementation.
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both things togheter can't be achieved, come on, steelseries,razer,zowie,cm stom,logitech. They all wanted to achieve the mouse we dream, low lod high tracking rates no acceleration no correction, no one could, the problem is in the sensor itself, and Avago is not releasing nothing new or changing the architecture.

If enough development is put forth, any of those companies can make what you consider the best mouse ever. There's a couple factors that need to be considered before targeting a niche audience. The main issue (for you) is more or less the lens and how it refracts light on to surfaces. The most common Red and IR leds tend to have a higher lift off on the average black weaved cloth surface.

This can be an issue in itself as other LED types don't respond too well to surfaces. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by vss vintorez View Post

I'm saying that It can perform as a zowie am, low lod low tracking speeds. Or it can go the other way... high tracking speeds, high lod.

Zowies tracking speeds aren't really that low, but it may hinder some extremely low sens players.

PS: I'm sure they were presented with other options.
Edited by Skylit - 8/4/12 at 7:55am
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post #62 of 364
8/4/12 at 7:28am
Generally agree with Skylit, especially in regards to the "japanese" omron.

The LOD adjustment is probably what delayed the recon smile.gif.
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post #63 of 364
8/4/12 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Depends on implementation.
If enough development is put forth, any of those companies can make what you consider the best mouse ever. There's a couple factors that need to be considered before targeting a niche audience. The main issue (for you) is more or less the lens and how it refracts light on to surfaces. The most common Red and IR leds tend to have a higher lift off on the average black weaved cloth surface.
This can be an issue in itself as other LED types don't respond too well to surfaces. wink.gif
Zowies tracking speeds aren't really that low, but it may hinder some extremely low sens players.
PS: I'm sure they were presented with other options.

I do not agree with any single word u said xD. It's just not possible. The problem is inside the sensor, not the circuit the design neither the algorithm they used to tune this.



edit: Avago has to take hands on this problem. I think the same with the ADNS9XXX acceleration.
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post #64 of 364
8/4/12 at 10:23am
You don't have to agree with me. I'm sure you have a far better understanding.

In all seriousness, please explain.
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post #65 of 364
8/4/12 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

You don't have to agree with me. I'm sure you have a far better understanding.
In all seriousness, please explain.

I've never said I dissasembled one or produced one to know how it's made inside. I took my idea from 6 companies that failed doing that u said it's possible with "work".

+ You are not exposiong technical facts about it's posibility neither.
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post #66 of 364
8/4/12 at 11:23am
Because LED swaping and testing isn't a major focus. A lot of brands look for the cheaper alternative when selecting the "minor" things, or else a few pennies here and there get translated into a few USD passed on the consumer.

Who says those brands "failed"? Maybe whoever CM had configuring the initial spawn firmware.. but honesty, they were trying to please the wrong group. (I don't discard the effort though).

Lift off distance should be the last concern, infact I would much rather have a quality LED and firmware optimized towards compatibility/performance rather than one that works good on a few surfaces and sucks on everything else. What's the point of getting down a few specific cloth + LED combos when it doesn't fair too well other type of pads? You're just asking for RMA's

Yes, I said it could work and I stand by that. The issue is that a matter of time and playing around with multiple designs. It's much easier to have an OEM come up with the basic circuit design and optimize an LED to a bulk of surfaces you have laying around the office. That's not to say that you can make minor adjustments here and there. IE DA3G (original OEM) with the countless amount of firmware updates got pretty low on dark cloth.


tl;dr

-Yes my opinions have changed after learning quite a bit.
-There's a lot of stuff I don't or wont expose ^^
Edited by Skylit - 8/4/12 at 11:26am
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post #67 of 364
8/4/12 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Because LED swaping and testing isn't a major focus. A lot of brands look for the cheaper alternative when selecting the "minor" things, or else a few pennies here and there get translated into a few USD passed on the consumer.
Who says those brands "failed"? Maybe whoever CM had configuring the initial spawn firmware.. but honesty, they were trying to please the wrong group. (I don't discard the effort though).
Lift off distance should be the last concern, infact I would much rather have a quality LED and firmware optimized towards compatibility/performance rather than one that works good on a few surfaces and sucks on everything else. What's the point of getting down a few specific cloth + LED combos when it doesn't fair too well other type of pads? You're just asking for RMA's
Yes, I said it could work and I stand by that. The issue is that a matter of time and playing around with multiple designs. It's much easier to have an OEM come up with the basic circuit design and optimize an LED to a bulk of surfaces you have laying around the office. That's not to say that you can make minor adjustments here and there. IE DA3G (original OEM) with the countless amount of firmware updates got pretty low on dark cloth.
tl;dr
-Yes my opinions have changed after learning quite a bit.
-There's a lot of stuff I don't or wont expose ^^

I agree with this, they could improve it to a good point chaning LED, i got a 2 or 2.5 mm LOD with my da using UV light, and I've not studied light at college yet, but reading a little I discovered that the wavelenght of the light is the parameter that affects tracking movments in cameras. (In some years when I get digital desing I'll be designing a mouse for u Skylit smile.gif )
But I don't agree that we could get the pèrfect sensor... 1mm LOD, 5m/s tracking speed on a determined surface.
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post #68 of 364
8/4/12 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by vss vintorez View Post

But I don't agree that we could get the pèrfect sensor... 1mm LOD, 5m/s tracking speed on a determined surface.

Nobody ever thought we'd take a journey to the moon some day. There will be a sensor at some point which will have adjustable LOD, perfect tracking speed under any circumstances on any imaginable surface. Just not yet.
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post #69 of 364
8/4/12 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by resis View Post

Nobody ever thought we'd take a journey to the moon some day. There will be a sensor at some point which will have adjustable LOD, perfect tracking speed under any circumstances on any imaginable surface. Just not yet.

We are talking about perfection. Human is not perfect, so there won't be a perfect sensor, i think that way. I'm at my first year at college (electrical engineer) I still don't have the whole knowledge to ensure that but those are my thoughts.
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post #70 of 364
8/4/12 at 3:44pm
I hate really low LOD.
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