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Many of my favorite songs were never free to listen to or in other ways not available for me to find. I bought CDs because I got the chance after hearing from a friends CD. Many artists got starts doing "illegal" things like hiding their songs under a more popular artist's track name in the filesharing world. The other problem is the lack of responsiveness to demand that these industries (MPAA/RIAA) have. I don't want a stupid MP3. I want FLAC. Why don't they offer that? Costs them nothing but they won't. I don't want a single video or audio codec for my movies. I want to choose that. I'll pay freaking twice if I could get a mp4v encoded FHD movie with some lossless audio for my netbook and for my desktop a x264 and PCM version.
My whole point is...I'm fine if they take these "illegal" places away as long as they address the issues beyond the freeloaders. I have money I'm willing to spend but no one's meeting demand. As Gabe Newell put it...it's about competition and piracy can be beat like any competitor if people are willing to address the demands that matter(which doesn't include freeloaders).

The reason why no one's really supporting the distribution of FLAC is because they don't want to incur costs for supporting a format that only a very, very small sub-segment of their revenue market actually wants and will actually pay to have. Plus the cost of having databases for songs that are ten times larger than mp3 (or mp3-like). That's not very surprising.
    
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Ive spent about 3 hours today looking for just 2 artists albums in FLAC (Regina spektor and ron pope) But they both only are available in the UK via itunes (128 kbps wooo -.-) or i buy the CD and rip it myself which is a lot of hassle and added money (P&P) when all i want is some lossless audio.
The only place which seems to address the demand for FLAC is Bandcamp who offer all their purchases as FLAC <3 and there download speeds are a respectable 1+MB/s they have my money all the time and will continue too because its just that simple and convenient.
I would happily pay for spotify if that was lossless too.
Sadly only a more illicit method meets my demands, which hurts the artists really :/

I thought they moved to 256kbps by now. Geez, I only bought MP3s from 7digital because they were 320kbps. I even payed VAT and I'm an American. But nope...7digital doesn't let me buy anymore for some reason(my cart keeps emptying whenever I try to pay). I can still access the things I previously bought but can't get anymore. LOL. As Gabe put it...it's a service issue that's at fault and nothing else. I wish I know some good indie bands because that's all I see in bandcamp. Maybe I'll move out of the mainstream...
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The reason why no one's really supporting the distribution of FLAC is because they don't want to incur costs for supporting a format that only a very, very small sub-segment of their revenue market actually wants and will actually pay to have. Plus the cost of having databases for songs that are ten times larger than mp3 (or mp3-like). That's not very surprising.

It's ironic because that's kind of the opposite of how they're approaching bluray/HD. I still to this day know that more people settle for DVD or streamingNONHD(gah my ISP makes that impossible) and yet they're willing to spend time and money pushing HD? Really smart aren't they?
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Ive spent about 3 hours today looking for just 2 artists albums in FLAC (Regina spektor and ron pope) But they both only are available in the UK via itunes (128 kbps wooo -.-) or i buy the CD and rip it myself which is a lot of hassle and added money (P&P) when all i want is some lossless audio.
The only place which seems to address the demand for FLAC is Bandcamp who offer all their purchases as FLAC <3 and there download speeds are a respectable 1+MB/s they have my money all the time and will continue too because its just that simple and convenient.
I would happily pay for spotify if that was lossless too.
Sadly only a more illicit method meets my demands, which hurts the artists really :/

Nothing is stopping you from buying the CD anyway, if you really do feel bad that you're not contributing to the artist...
    
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I thought they moved to 256kbps by now. Geez, I only bought MP3s from 7digital because they were 320kbps. I even payed VAT and I'm an American. But nope...7digital doesn't let me buy anymore for some reason(my cart keeps emptying whenever I try to pay). I can still access the things I previously bought but can't get anymore. LOL. As Gabe put it...it's a service issue that's at fault and nothing else. I wish I know some good indie bands because that's all I see in bandcamp. Maybe I'll move out of the mainstream...

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Nothing is stopping you from buying the CD anyway, if you really do feel bad that you're not contributing to the artist...

Same thing was given to the Russian market and yet games got pirated away. Valve doesn't see a problem after going there...why...they provided the damn competition to piracy in services. They responded to the consumers demands like you're supposed to in capitalism. I seriously don't understand what is so hard for these business executives to understand about that. There will always be the freeloaders but I don't think that means you go out and punish everyone. It's like saying that just because someone kills a person with a butter knife means the rest of us shouldn't get butter knifes.
     
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Same thing was given to the Russian market and yet games got pirated away. Valve doesn't see a problem after going there...why...they provided the damn competition to piracy in services. They responded to the consumers demands like you're supposed to in capitalism. I seriously don't understand what is so hard for these business executives to understand about that. There will always be the freeloaders but I don't think that means you go out and punish everyone. It's like saying that just because someone kills a person with a butter knife means the rest of us shouldn't get butter knifes.

Industries are slow to change. I would agree, the entertainment industry was historically incredibly slow in reacting to this change and the migration to digital distribution methods. However, the digital distribution methods available today address 99% of the consumer market's needs, yet there's still a problem with the illegal distribution of copyrighted media. As almost always is the case, when some people are able to do something, especially when it comes to getting something for nothing, and they'll do it and make up some excuse for it later. "The industry is lame." "I can't get this movie in 1080p where I live." "This season of the show isn't available where I live." So on and so forth. Well, you know what? You just don't get it then. Is it unfair? Sure. Nobody gets everything they want all the time. IMHO, a lot of it stems from entitlement issues. Just because you want something and it's not legally available doesn't entitle you to get it via illegal means, and it doesn't excuse you if you get caught. And it doesn't excuse the entities like MU and Filesonic that facilitate the illegal distribution of copyrighted material and (until now) at best turned a blind eye.

Please don't take the above rant as directed toward you personally--it's not, but it's aggravating that people continue to use the same lame excuses for doing something that is clearly against the law. It's not like this is a life-and-death situation. Well, maybe it is if you're emo, but for the rest of the normal population it's not.
    
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Im so mad.. filesonic and megaupload were two of the big sites for the xda-dev android custom roms/kernels/firmware/etc, hosting. my download options for ICS are dwindling mad.gif
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Although I don't like whats going on here, it is right.

You all seem to be getting the analogy mixed up here. Its not that they are burning down a bunch of sheds because one of them has illegal content; they are locking up a huge, enormous shed that has a million little sheds inside it because they have evidence (I would think) that shows that the company that owns that enormous shed knowingly payed people to store illegal content in a bunch of sheds. Furthermore, they found a TON of more sheds with illegal content in them also. So they put a lock on the huge shed, not yours specifically. If your part of the damage control, thats just too bad.

If child pornography was being hosted on Megaupload (which may or may not be the case, ironically, but I doubt it) no one would give a damn. The point being that illegal is illegal, no matter what it is.

Think of it from the perspective of the FBI, if you located a website hosting illegal content it wouldn't make much sense to try and lock down certain accounts, you go for the big sharks and shut the whole damn illegal ring down so the accounts don't show back up.

As for other websites following suite and partially shutting down: How did anyone NOT see that coming? I suggest those of you with unbacked up files on popular websites get your files backed up and don't cry like a baby when they get removed.
Edited by kennyparker1337 - 1/23/12 at 4:50pm
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ography[/U] was being hosted on Megaupload (which may or may not be the case, ironically, but I doubt it) no one would give a damn. The point being that illegal is illegal, no matter what it is.
Think of it from the perspective of the FBI, if you located a website hosting illegal content it wouldn't make much sense to try and lock down certain accounts, you go for the big sharks and shut the whole damn illegal ring down so the accounts don't show back up.
Why don't they shut google down? A lot of links to illegal content would disappear.
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