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Ok guys, something is going to happen soon.
The rumors are picking up frequency, and normally the more rumors released in a 2 week timeframe concerning different things, the closer we are to the rumored launch.
If this is the case, this card needs to hit the market NOAW!
I need de creme de le creme (single)gpu in about 3-4 weeks, and right now all the 7970s are out of stock.
Bring me choices!

if I was you away from the 7970 if you havea 560Ti 448c/570/580 WASTE OF 600$ look at my avatar I had one and am back on my 570 and the radeon was sold!
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post #52 of 105
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C'mon guys, lets be a tad honest. If GK104 really comes at $300 then, a few things could happen:
a) It will come closer to HD7950 performance and will cause a huge price drop on AMD's side.
b) Performance will be around GTX570 levels and nothing would change (this one makes no sense).
c) Its FAKE.
Lets be honest: you don't start with mid-range because if you do you have to kill ALL YOUR RANGE of products. Imagine that the kepler mid-range comes for $300 and that it tops GTX580: there you go, you have killed half NVIDIA sells in just a move (because you won't sell GTX580, nor GTX570 nor GTX560...). Would you do it? No, you'd not. You start with high-end so you can lower the price of existing high-end products and thus make it easier for r/etailers to seell its stock of products. At the end of the day, if your resellers don't sell the old stock they won't get the new one...
So, its just not happening. NVIDIA won't release any $300 card at start, unless they are nuts (and they are not). Also, I don't see any availability problem in any of the card-ranges so there is no point in discussing this. Its pure economics at the end of the day, wether you like it or not...

Just like HD6870 and HD6850.
If true then not all is known. (performance / product placement / price structure).
Looks like someone is takng aim at the other's bottom line.
post #53 of 105
Charlie proved to be on target with the 7970/7950 prices. I'm not sure if I doubt him on his GK104 rumors. I own a 7970...I think I might seek to find it a new owner =\. I am a very anal consumer and I don't like getting shafted 30 days after purchase.
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post #54 of 105
It's either going to be 300 dollars and fall short of the 7970 or be faster and priced with in the same range as the 7970.

So, the fastest single GPU is going to sell for 300, cannibalize the remaining stock of 580 and 500 parts or force NV to drop the 500 series below $250?

It's just fun FUD.
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If this is indeed true then I'll be getting one. I love my GTX 480 and it kills any game that is currently out there but if Kepler will indeed be this cheap then why not get one.

Yea, I would sell both my GTX 460's so fast if this was true.
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post #56 of 105
I don't have a extremely hard time believing this. We will see though. It would be great though, and I would probably buy one.
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Just like HD6870 and HD6850.
If true then not all is known. (performance / product placement / price structure).
Looks like someone is takng aim at the other's bottom line.

Nah. The context is not even related: AMD launched those cards in order to compete better with NVIDIA. Also, keep in mind NVIDIA already had the best single-gpu card. So, that changed nothing.

In this case don't expect something that won't come...because it would be stupid. NVIDIA may not come with an uber high-end card...but be assured that the card will AT LEAST equal or top the 7970 in order not to distroy all the other cards it has up from the $300 tier.

Lets try to use some logic. At the end of the day business decisions are also logical...
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post #58 of 105
Here are a few things that 'could' make sense. The GK104 is released for ~$300 to $350 with 2GB of memory. It competes, perhaps at 90% of a 7970 stock for stock, yet does not overclock as well (I doubt any card Nvidia releases will overclock as well as the 7XXX series - just because I believe that AMD purposefully held back on clocks for this iteration of cards). Even poor OCing 7970s will give you a 150 mhz (~15% core OC )with default cooling. The 7950 may yield stock 7970 performance after an OC, which would still, perhaps put it behind an OC'd GK104. This is what the pricing would break down to be:

$350 2GB GK104 - $400 1.5GB 7950 - $450 3GB 7950 - $550 7970....the pricing does not fit the performance as we'd probably expect to see

1.5GB 7950 < 3GB 7950 <= 2GB GK104 < $7970

This means potential price drops by about 10-15% for AMD resulting in a ~$350 1.5GB 7950, $400 3GB 7950, $500 3GB 7970.....although, as Charlie has done before, I believe pricing may throw us off. I went back and reread an article he posted about the pricing of the 7970, where he stated $500....then later he said, he underrepresented the price in order to deter plagiarists. A 2GB GK104 may come closer to $380-$400 than it will to the low $300s. That would make plenty more sense compared to the bargain bin price of $300 for Nvidia's fastest GPU. And yes, I don't care what they call the GK104, it will be their fastest GPU until their other units are released.
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Perhaps the die shrinks + maturing technology have made the gk104 cheaper to produce. It would be nice to see price to produce effect price for performance in this case.

Don't the mid range cards get the 04 -14 number and the High end cards get the 00, 10. If that is the case I would bet this thing will replace the 570, which seems logical for the price point.

GTX 470 replaced by GTX 560 in terms of performance -

so logically gtx the 570 would be replaced by the 660.
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Perhaps the die shrinks + maturing technology have made the gk104 cheaper to produce. It would be nice to see price to produce effect price for performance in this case.
Don't the mid range cards get the 04 -14 number and the High end cards get the 00, 10. If that is the case I would bet this thing will replace the 570, which seems logical for the price point.
GTX 470 replaced by GTX 560 in terms of performance -
so logically gtx the 570 would be replaced by the 660.

Except the same source is claiming that this is competitive with Tahiti, aka the top of the line AMD 79xx.

GTX 470 -> GTX 560 TI / 570 was little more than architecture fix: a 570 is a 470 with band-aids, more or less. But the 660 is something entirely new: a big shrink from 40nm from 28nm, and the first new Nvidia architecture in years.

This will be more like the transition from GTX 2xx to 4xx.
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