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Might be just too many led's on at the same time for such a low setting? Like you said just not getting enough juice at that setting.
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i agree with above had issues with hdd led not flashing, flipped the + and - hdd led cables and ta-dah it worked.

Oh.. so I guess they labelled the sleeve wrong.. :\. I will try it. Thanks.
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Yeah that psu has plenty of power to push a few fans. Most likely it's like you said just not enough power on low. How many Aerocool shark fans do you have on it? And what others do you have connected? I'm curious because I have 3 sharks, 2 NZXT 120mm, 1 NZXT 140 mm and a corsair airflow ram cooler and they were all hooked up at one point to the stock controller. Like I said when I used it for that mine didn't blink just got real dim. thumb.gif

5 sharks (3x140, 2x120) and 2 nzxt fans (1x140, 1x120) were hooked up with the stock controller
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while the Switch has an RGB led installed in place of the stock led.
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is that a steelseries v2 siberia headset i spy there rolleyes.gif i want one of those! nice rig btw, should definitely color code the power led's with your psu fans. and i had 7 fans running off my rig and on low setting i didnt have any isseu i was using 7 xigmatek 120mm fans all equipped with blue leds and 1x140mm nzxt blue led fan off a 750w psu. So not sure what your issue is.
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Hey, can anyone tell me if its possible to mount a bottom 120/140 rad on the 410?
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is that a steelseries v2 siberia headset i spy there rolleyes.gif i want one of those! nice rig btw, should definitely color code the power led's with your psu fans. and i had 7 fans running off my rig and on low setting i didnt have any isseu i was using 7 xigmatek 120mm fans all equipped with blue leds and 1x140mm nzxt blue led fan off a 750w psu. So not sure what your issue is.

thats a steelseries neckband actually wink.gif compliment appreciated!
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Maybe I can help out on the LED issues here.
It helps to know a little bit about how leds work, and then certain seemingly peculiarities start to make sense.
While everyone pretty much knows that leds have to be connected properly with respect to which lead goes to + and which to -, there is more to understand.
LEDs are like check valves; Won't open and flow electrons when installed backwards, and will open and flow electrons, at internally uncontrolled amounts, once enough voltage is applied, when installed properly.
The term for an led's reluctance to flow when installed backwards, is called reverse bias, and when installed properly, forward bias.
Now each color of LED has a minimum forward bias voltage at which it starts to conduct electrons, and illuminates. Red is normally the lowest, at a nominal 1.3V to 1.7V while typically followed by orange, yellow, green, blue, and white in increasing amounts of required voltage to establish a turn on. White is usually the highest at about 3.5V to 4V required to turn on.
Now within each color, there are exceptions to the nominal minimum voltage, depending on what particular semiconductor material the led is made from, but for the common (read cheaper versions) ones we see in fans, the progression I mentioned usually holds true.
Now we also have to keep in mind that what I previously alluded to about flowing electrons internally uncontrolled:
Once an led reaches its minimal forward bias voltage threshold, it turns on, and has no internal resistance, (like a light bulb does) so that without an external resistor to LIMIT CURRENT, it will self destruct from over current.
Now in keeping with electrical laws, the current thru the led also goes thru the current limitting resistor, so the resistor gives off the wasted energy as heat. The amount of wasted energy being computed thusly: Total supply voltage to the led, minus the LED's forward bias voltage, (which is the voltage across the resistor) times the current flowing thru the circuit.
Now you're asking, what does this all mean to me;
Sometimes leds are wired in series with one resistor. That way the forward bias voltages add, and the resistor and wasted energy are reduced. The downside, is that if you have this setup on a controller, as you slow the fan down by lowering the voltage, you reach a point where the fan may be running slowly, but the voltage is too low to turn on the leds, because the additive forward bias voltages drops is more than the fan needs to run slowly.
Another related problem would be having different colored fans on the same channel. You may be able to run the fans at a voltage that's too low for the blue ones, but the red ones still work.
As for the blinking aspect, chances are favorable that tiny variations is how the controller regulates lower voltages against a fluctuating load at the "boundary" point of the LED's conduction is what's causing that.
You could try another brand of fan, but sharks are very good, and I've used a lot of them. On the other hand, I have rather little faith in the stock controllers, I doubt they can actually handle anywhere near their rated 20W /chan with anywhere near decent regulation at load. The plus side is that at least it's there and comes free with the case.
If the blinking bothers you enough, you could get a real, (aftermarket ) controller, or the easiest solution, just don't run them quite that slow.
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wow that was very informative and interesting! thumb.gif actually i have an aerocool fx6t lying around that I might someday install (after converting the wiring to 3 pins from molex). For the moment I removed one fan from the stock fan controller cause I really like having slow speed throughout the day - still moves decent amounts of air and its super quiet!
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thats a steelseries neckband actually wink.gif compliment appreciated!
wow that was very informative and interesting! thumb.gif actually i have an aerocool fx6t lying around that I might someday install (after converting the wiring to 3 pins from molex). For the moment I removed one fan from the stock fan controller cause I really like having slow speed throughout the day - still moves decent amounts of air and its super quiet!

I'll let you know fromfirst hand experience with the AeroCool Fx6t. It's going to act the same as the stock fan controller. I think I told you before I had it in my rig and it did the same things with the humming and lights getting very dim on low. The only difference was the humming was honestly louder on the aerocool controller compared to the stock one. Maybe you'll have better luck with yours. But I ended up switching it for a NZXT Sentry Mix. thumb.gif
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Primochill Blood Red rigid tubing Primochill rigid tubing compressions Alphacool VPP655 with HF top Primochill Vortex 4 port flow indicator 
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Windows 7 Premium 64 bit A.O.C. e2343Fk A.O.C. e2343Fk A.O.C. e2343Fk 
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Corsair K60 Enermax MaxRevo 1500 Corsair 900d Cyborg R.A.T. 7 
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Cyborg Logitech 
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i7 3930k  Asus Rampage IV Extreme PowerColor PCS+ Vortex II 7970 PowerColor PCS+ Vortex II 7970 
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XFX 7970 Black Edition Corsair Dominator Platinum OCZ Vertex 3 120Gb OCZ Vertex 3 120Gb 
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W.D. Caviar Green 2Tb W.D. Velociraptor 300Gb Sony Optiarc DVD-RW Phobya Black Nickle pump top 
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Swiftech MCP35x 6x NZXT FZ series 120mm 4x NZXT FZ series 140mm 4x NZXT FZ series 200mm 
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Black Ice GT 280 Swiftech MCR-120-QP XSPC RayStorm Universal GPU Block XSPC RayStorm Universal GPU Block 
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Phobya Extreme v2 200mm rad Swiftech MCR-320-QP Primochill Vortex flow indicator Swiftech sli/cf Bridge 
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XSPC RayStorm Universal GPU Block PrimoChill LRT Advanced 1/2 x 3/4" Bloodshed Re... Monsoon 1/2 x 3/4" Red Compression Fittings 4x BitsPower 90 Degree Angled Fittings 
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4xBitsPower 45 Degree Angled Fittings BitsPower Ball Valve  BitsPower Extenders x3 Windows 7 Premium 64 Bit 
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A.O.C. e2343Fk 23" L.E.D. Monitor A.O.C. e2343Fk 23" L.E.D. Monitor A.O.C. e2343Fk 23" L.E.D. Monitor Logitech G510 
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OCZ ZX series1250 watt Fully Modular NZXT Phantom 820 Gunmetal Cyborg R.A.T. 7 Cyborg 
AudioOther
Logitech  AfterGlow XBox 360 Controller 
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2700K Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z XFX 7970 Black Edition PowerColor 7970 PCS+ 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Avexir Core series OCZ Vertex 3 120GB OCZ Agility 2 60GB Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Sony Optiarc DVD-RW Mayhems Aurora Nebula Blue Swiftech MCP-120-QP Monsoon red led stop plug 
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NZXT Sentry 2 TouchScreen Fan Controller Black Ice GTS 280 mm rad 3x Aerocool Shark Devil Red Edition 120mm  4x Enermax T.B. Silence 120mm 
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3x NZXT FN 140mm  Danger Den RAD-Reservoir Danger Den FillPort Bitspower 45 Degree Swivel Compression Fitting 
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Swiftech MCP-320-QP Monsoon Compression Fittings 6-Pack Red Monsoon Compression Fittings 6-Pack Blue Phobya In-Line Temp Sensor 
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Windows 7 Premium 64 bit AOC e2343Fk 23" 1080 LED Monitor Logitech G510 OCZ ZT 750 Watt Fully Modular PSU 
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NZXT Switch 810 White Cyborg RAT 7 Cyborg Logitech X-240 
AudioOther
Plantronics Head Set AfterGlow Wired XBox 360 Controller 
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