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post #4531 of 5801
^^ in terms of "pressure" being the case is not sealed (panels are completely sealed, punch panel holes on side panel etc) your not going to really create any form of "pressure". In terms of an ideal set up you would have fans up front as intake and the rear and top as exhaust or visa-versa. I would recommend getting fans to cover all free spots as the more air you can pull in the better the cooling capacity of it.

Ideally either setup you have chosen will work and i doubt you will see much if any difference in temp, but this is just my personal opinion nothing more. biggrin.gif
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post #4532 of 5801
I agree with w-moffatt

Fans front/bottom/side - Intake, back/top - Exhaust is how I have mine setup, works good for me.
post #4533 of 5801
Tossing up between the Noctua NH-D14 or the Corsair H100 to replace my H60. Is the H100 easy to top mount on the 410? Rad outside and fans inside? Can use all the existing screws etc?
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Refer to page 1 of the thread how to install h100 in a 410. Thank you.
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Refer to page 1 of the thread how to install h100 in a 410. Thank you.
Yeah I did, but all I can gather is that it fits. A youtube video mentions that additional holes have to be drilled. Do I replace the 140mm fans I currently have on the top of the case with the H100 120mm fans? Or is there anyway I can fit the H100 with the 140mm fans? Is it a matter of fitting the rad on the outside top and the 120mm fans underneath inside?
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what do you guys think will be better for airflow? i'm using all stock case fans and H100i fans. i placed my 140mm LED fan as front intake and placed the 120mm front intake as bottom intake, like this:



i believe this currently creates a negative pressure inside my case (if at all, because the side panel holes are wide open haha)

i'm thinking if it will be better if i change it to this.......



.....since it will feed fresh, cold air to the H100i exhaust and it will blow over the power delivery and RAM components on my mobo. it will also create a positive pressure in the case which, hopefully, will reduce dust buildup inside. one concern i have though is it might disrupt the airflow coming from the front and bottom intakes. and the H100i tubes probably will have to go the other way around if i'm to make the back fan as intake, so it won't block airflow...

what do you guys think? i'm really new to this and i just read most of these ideas from suggestions in other threads here in OCN. thanks!

Nice rig! Looks clean, good job for going all out on wire management and a clean installation. My current rig is my first build as well, it was a fun case to try and perfect, it looks so awesome! Welcome to the group! Also, you can remove those plastic HDD tray sliders with a small screwdriver, one screw each. I also used holes in that lower plate to install a SSD if you've got one you're looking to show off. My last post has an image of that, it's a page back I think, or check out my rigbuilder thingy.

I'm new to airflow as well, a bit, but I do know that it's highly debated and I like to tell people this: try your setup with both and see which runs cooler, because even the lack or inclusion of a GPU will change airflow. If someone says "do this" and doesn't have a link to a test with conclusive results, or personal data as to why, their point is probably a guess. If they have a different setup, their point is not completely valid either, because a shelf or GPU or fan model difference can drastically change how the current flows in the case. Air is a fluid, so like water it will have all kinds of crazy currents, check out airflow tests on youtube, I'm sure you'll run into someone testing a case with a fogger.

As for positive or negative pressure, one argument against positive pressure is that you're making hot air essentially pool up and stay in the case longer, insulating heat, the positive argument obviously the possibility of reducing dust (in my opinion get filters and clean your rig...c'mon, it's an electrostatic nightmare either way!!).

The argument for negative pressure could be that you're expelling all the hot air you can, so assuming you got that air to the components that need cooling, it will work better. The argument against could be that you'll get dust seeping into weird spots, like behind the mobo...or through your CD drive area.

I haven't the experience to say whether this positive vs negative debate is a huge deal or not, but if you've got THAT much dust I would wager you'd be doing teardowns or at least a good amount of dusting on a regular basis, regardless of airflow. For average dust amounts, I do think it would be noticeably cleaner if you filter intake fans and have positive pressure, because the air that leaks through the case has essentially been filtered. With unfiltered cases or negative pressure you might get dust buildup, but canned air should clean that up, along with regular wipe downs and dusting.

I hope that makes sense I edited that paragraph entirely too many times...must be tired. My new kinesis split keyboard is taking some getting used to as well.. editing gets tricky because I'm used to super fast shortcuts that are now a bit different. Oh and I keep mixing up backspace and space.rolleyes.gif


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^^ in terms of "pressure" being the case is not sealed (panels are completely sealed, punch panel holes on side panel etc) your not going to really create any form of "pressure". In terms of an ideal set up you would have fans up front as intake and the rear and top as exhaust or visa-versa. I would recommend getting fans to cover all free spots as the more air you can pull in the better the cooling capacity of it.

Ideally either setup you have chosen will work and i doubt you will see much if any difference in temp, but this is just my personal opinion nothing more. biggrin.gif

I respectfully disagree, there is definitely pressure in this case (not blow-up-a-balloon pressure, but it's there). With all fans except the side panel fan installed I observed an obvious negative pressure in my case in some conditions, positive in others. I demonstrated and tested this by placing a kleenex tissue on the side grill while fans were running, and it stuck. with the fans turned up higher, it fell off; proving I had pressure variations at different fan speeds, due to the fact I have multiple "channels" of fans (case and motherboard controllers working independently). With my current configuration I can control various intake and exhaust fans independently so it varied when I goofed with it.

It might not be great pressure differentials, but it sure as heck will change what dust does. Whether that matters or how much is technically beyond me because I haven't tested either conclusively. I didn't notice much dust behind my mobo when I tore it apart a few weeks ago, after a few months of use, but my pressure is somewhat neutral at idle and possibly positive at full bore, which I rarely see...in a relatively low dust environment (no carpet, air filter, small house).
Edited by Figit090 - 3/17/13 at 1:32am
post #4537 of 5801
^^ Noted, i was referring to massive amount of pressure (blow-up balloon for lack of a better term) As i am aware yes there is certainly pressure. I just didnt think that there would be enough to make a difference to the setup changes originally suggested in regards to temps. thumb.gif
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I may start by saying i tested this on 2 identical systems since Aug. 2012. Actually even with ventilation it is possible to create a positive or negative pressure, highnrise buildings do it every day. As long as you have more air being pushed into a space vs the air being removed, you can in fact cause a positive pressure, allbeit nit a lot but enough to make a difference over having more exhaust fans vs in take. If you cause a negative airflow pressure in your case it not only can cause all cracks and vents to have amslight vacuum, sucking in unwanted extra dust, it can also cause higher temps.
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got a quick question. can you fit a ZALMAN CNPS9900ALED in one of these?

 

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^^ Noted, i was referring to massive amount of pressure (blow-up balloon for lack of a better term) As i am aware yes there is certainly pressure. I just didnt think that there would be enough to make a difference to the setup changes originally suggested in regards to temps. thumb.gif

Yeah I concur I'm curious how much difference it would actually make.
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I may start by saying i tested this on 2 identical systems since Aug. 2012. Actually even with ventilation it is possible to create a positive or negative pressure, highnrise buildings do it every day. As long as you have more air being pushed into a space vs the air being removed, you can in fact cause a positive pressure, allbeit nit a lot but enough to make a difference over having more exhaust fans vs in take. If you cause a negative airflow pressure in your case it not only can cause all cracks and vents to have amslight vacuum, sucking in unwanted extra dust, it can also cause higher temps.

Do you have more info or data on your testing? does higher temps mean one or two degrees or significantly more? also, did you happen to reverse each rig's configuration and test it inversely, so make sure it wasn't a variation such as the application of thermal compound to the CPU causing differences? I would love to see a conclusive scientific test on a common set of configurations, perhaps google will help me.
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got a quick question. can you fit a ZALMAN CNPS9900ALED in one of these?


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taking dimensions straight from newegg my hyper 212 evo is: 120 x 80 x 159 mm, while the zalman states: 94(L) x 131(W) x 152(H) mm

based on that I'd say it will fit fine and I believe I've seen images of these coolers in this case. I wanted that cooler until I found its performance to be near the evo, and the cost was higher, and there is no option to upgrade or change out the fan. still a great cooler I've read though, just something to think about.

references:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099&Tpk=hyper%20212%20evo&IsVirtualParent=1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118046
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