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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

It's not as interesting as it sounds by far. No matter how many tablets are sold with Tegra one, two or three the majority of tablets contain other ARM CPU's and GPU's. OMAP, Snapdragon, A10 and RK2918. The Chinese and their A10 and RK2918 are far more popular than anything nVidia come up with and am willing to bet even more widely used than all the major chip developers combined. Thus if MS are only concentrating on nVidia's products they are in for a small adoption of Win 8 on tablets.
Personally I don't think they'd be that stupid but you never know.

Windows is an operating system

It isn't exclusive to any one line of SoC
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I wonder how much money and man power Microsoft have to put to just clean their kernel to make it more modular, less bloated and portable to other architectures. Linux is light years ahead in that area. I feel like they're waiting for tablets to be good enough to handle their bloat and then market it as having "performance".
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

It's not as interesting as it sounds by far. No matter how many tablets are sold with Tegra one, two or three the majority of tablets contain other ARM CPU's and GPU's. OMAP, Snapdragon, A10 and RK2918. The Chinese and their A10 and RK2918 are far more popular than anything nVidia come up with and am willing to bet even more widely used than all the major chip developers combined. Thus if MS are only concentrating on nVidia's products they are in for a small adoption of Win 8 on tablets.
Personally I don't think they'd be that stupid but you never know.

I thought the industry standard ARM 9 (Cortex A-9 specifically for tegra 3) SoC was an industry standard. According to ARM's website, it is a popular standard:
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Industry standard

Over 5 Billion ARM9 processors have been shipped so far
•The ARM9 family is the most popular ARM processor family ever◦250+ silicon licensees
◦100+ licensees of the ARM926EJ-S processor

•ARM9 processors continue to be successfully deployed across a wide range of products and applications.
•The ARM9 family offers proven, low risk and easy to use designs which reduce costs and enable rapid time to market.
•The ARM9 family consists of three processors - ARM926EJ-S, ARM946E-S and ARM968E-S.
Quote:
Robust roadmap

Planning for the future
•The ARM9 family has a robust roadmap linking to the latest Cortex processors
•The Cortex-A and Cortex-R families provide powerful, feature-rich options for easy migration of ARM9 designs to the next generation

As for the Cortex-A series specifically, they are used in netbooks of all places:
Quote:
Industry Standard

Cortex-A processors are used in applications that have high-compute requirements, run rich operating systems and deliver interactive media and graphics experience. From the latest technological mobile internet must-have devices such as handsets and ultra-portable netbooks or SmartBooks, to automotive infotainment systems and next generation digital TV systems.

Cortex-A processors are geared towards providing the full internet experience, but are used in a wide variety of applications including:

Product Type :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Application

Computing:::::::::::::::::: Netbook, Smartbook, Tablet, eReader, Thin client

Mobile Handset :::::::::::::: Smartphones, Feature phones

Digital Home ::::::::::::::::::: Set-top Box, Digital TV, Blu-Ray player, Gaming consoles

Automotive ::::::::::::::::::: Infotainment, Navigation

Enterprise :::::::::::::::::::: Laserjet printers, routers, wireless base-stations, VOIP phones and equipment

Wiresless Infrastructure ::::::::::::::: Web 2.0, wireless basestations, switches, servers

And just for more info, here is an article explaining the tegra 3 design:
Grand Max:: Nvidia's Kal-El also known as Tegra 3 full technical specs - 4cores with 5th hidden core
by Moses Brose
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I wonder how much money and man power Microsoft have to put to just clean their kernel to make it more modular, less bloated and portable to other architectures. Linux is light years ahead in that area. I feel like they're waiting for tablets to be good enough to handle their bloat and then market it as having "performance".

Linux elitism.... much of that bloat is from "consumer usability" and "continued application support". wink.gif

If Linux ever hits mainsteam, you WILL see it start to get bloated as well.
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Linux elitism.... much of that bloat is from "consumer usability" and "continued application support". wink.gif
If Linux ever hits mainsteam, you WILL see it start to get bloated as well.

Linux elitism? There is a reason why Android and iOS are already running on tablets, phones, and linux or unix variants are running on many, many more type of appliances than Windows. Windows' bloat doesn't come only from these 2 reasons, it come from its core and its roots. They have an history of spaghetti coding. Linus Torvalds explained the success of linux well. Linux tries to accommodate all visions where corporations usually follow their vision. I am really talking about the core, the kernel. Of course a linux based OS could be bloated as hell too, but it wouldn't be linux's fault.

Can we, someday, say the truth without being called an elitist? I don't want to flame but I can't accept being called a linux elitist.
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Android and iOS aren't even half of what Windows is. (BS figure, but you get what I am trying to say)
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Android and iOS aren't even half of what Windows is. (BS figure, but you get what I am trying to say)

Aside the apples to oranges comparison, I'd say the opposite at the kernel level. Windows running on ARM is simply not impressive when other kernels are already more portable. Windows on ARM will not run all your x86 applications either.
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Android and iOS aren't even half of what Windows is. (BS figure, but you get what I am trying to say)

This actually isn't far from the truth. Windows 7 and Linux are the most secure platforms, followed in a distant, non-existing third place, by Apple's concoctions. When it comes to stability, however, Windows is by far more stable than either Android or iOS. How often don't programmes just crash in Android? And let's not even talk about iOS.
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I wonder how much money and man power Microsoft have to put to just clean their kernel to make it more modular, less bloated and portable to other architectures. Linux is light years ahead in that area. I feel like they're waiting for tablets to be good enough to handle their bloat and then market it as having "performance".

You saying WinXP and 7 don't run on tablets? The only bloat I've seen in 7 is when I run 20 programmes that then fill my memory. The sole reason why XP and 7 don't run as well as Android and iOS on tablets or tablet PC's is because they weren't made with those things in mind. However, the most expensive tablet PC's run Win 7 for a reason.
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I thought the industry standard ARM 9 (Cortex A-9 specifically for tegra 3) SoC was an industry standard. According to ARM's website, it is a popular standard:
Quote:
Industry standard
Over 5 Billion ARM9 processors have been shipped so far
•The ARM9 family is the most popular ARM processor family ever◦250+ silicon licensees
◦100+ licensees of the ARM926EJ-S processor
•ARM9 processors continue to be successfully deployed across a wide range of products and applications.
•The ARM9 family offers proven, low risk and easy to use designs which reduce costs and enable rapid time to market.
•The ARM9 family consists of three processors - ARM926EJ-S, ARM946E-S and ARM968E-S.
Quote:
Robust roadmap
Planning for the future
•The ARM9 family has a robust roadmap linking to the latest Cortex processors
•The Cortex-A and Cortex-R families provide powerful, feature-rich options for easy migration of ARM9 designs to the next generation
As for the Cortex-A series specifically, they are used in netbooks of all places:
Quote:
Industry Standard
Cortex-A processors are used in applications that have high-compute requirements, run rich operating systems and deliver interactive media and graphics experience. From the latest technological mobile internet must-have devices such as handsets and ultra-portable netbooks or SmartBooks, to automotive infotainment systems and next generation digital TV systems.
Cortex-A processors are geared towards providing the full internet experience, but are used in a wide variety of applications including:
Product Type :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Application
Computing:::::::::::::::::: Netbook, Smartbook, Tablet, eReader, Thin client
Mobile Handset :::::::::::::: Smartphones, Feature phones
Digital Home ::::::::::::::::::: Set-top Box, Digital TV, Blu-Ray player, Gaming consoles
Automotive ::::::::::::::::::: Infotainment, Navigation
Enterprise :::::::::::::::::::: Laserjet printers, routers, wireless base-stations, VOIP phones and equipment
Wiresless Infrastructure ::::::::::::::: Web 2.0, wireless basestations, switches, servers
And just for more info, here is an article explaining the tegra 3 design:
Grand Max:: Nvidia's Kal-El also known as Tegra 3 full technical specs - 4cores with 5th hidden core
by Moses Brose

A9 architecture wasn't designed specifically for Tegra 3, Tegra 2 is also an A9 based SOC. I am referring to A9's paired with single core Mali 400's and the A8's paired with the GC800 GPU's. While a lot of tablets exist with the A9 chipset that doesn't mean they are actually any good because an A8 is, at times, far more efficient than those really cheap A9's. I am referring to the Allwinner A10's and the RK2918. I have a tablet with an RK2918 and am wondering whether support will be provided for the SOC I am using but I assume that isn't up to MS but it depends on whether Rockchip will release drivers, though I am willing to bet MS will have built in drivers for the Tegra chipsets. While I am aware the RK2918 isn't spectacular I didn't buy it for gaming, I have a high end desktop for that.
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Windows 7 run only on some expensive x86 based tablets and it's very slow. I am comparing the linux kernel to windows' kernel. Windows doesn't run on lower powered ARM tablets right now because of its inability to adapt to the new need because of their narrow vision. It has nothing to do with whatever was build on top of either kernels. I agree that android is a bit unstable but it's not the kernel's fault. It is more likely the applications themselves. What makes you think windows 8 will be better?
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