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post #1 of 15
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urgent, need to finish tomorrow redface.gif

regarding cpu cooler, my plan is 2x Hyper 212+ (its tight budget)

i already got this

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along with X5560 (1336 socket), 32GB ram and my old GTX470 smile.gif

its for my render project, i managed to install in my 800D but temps seems a bit on the high side for stock speed, 87-90c when rendering (12-32hrs nonstop using smax), so to know its 30-32c room temp (hot country)
What im asking is maybe you guys have experience installing aftermarket cooling such as hyper 212+ with similar motherboard?
I see a tight space between ram slot to with the bolt hole, and hyper is going to be push and pull for the other since only 1.5cm space between them (exhausting to the back),.. well,.. im desperate and thinking to buy them today anyway if no response.


thx so much
flo
Edited by flowtek - 1/30/12 at 12:15am
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i'm not sure it would fit. the 212 would have to clear the ram and xeon ram (registered ECC) run pretty hot to begin with. the RAM themselves generally require cooing fans of their own. a server/workstation board like this usually has some pretty serious cooling fans (delta or san ace) that push somewhere around 100 to 200cfm's EACH to cool it down. it's loud, but it's what's needed for this type of hardware. I don't know if a simple 212 is able to keep these chips happy. what happened to the heatsinks that came with the xeons? they may not look like much, but there are some serious copper and quality heatpipes on those units. i doubt a 212 would perform better then the stock xeon coolers.

i donno what to tell you, but you are fairly screwed atm:D if you have some budget, i'd maybe look into some H80's and hopefully a push/pull with some good fans would do the trick. but... that still require some extra $ for some corsair airflow pro ram coolers. unfortunately i honestly don't know how to help you at this point without a budget:(

server/workstation equipment aren't cheap....

if the 212 is all you have to work with, make sure you change the 3 fans on the top and the exhaust at the back of the 800D into intake fans instead of exhaust. this way you can provide as much cooling air as possible to the 212's. you will need to reverse your airflow and force the heat down through the case and exhaust it out the bottom or front of the case. otherwise you'll never have enough cooling air for that type of hardware on your budget. i hope you have some bad arse fans stashed away in a cabinet somewhere cuz it's time to dig them out and hook them up:D like i said, server fans generally push 100+ CFM each some reaching 250+ CFM EACH.

here is an example of what a server fan sounds like and the reason why you were getting those temps using consumer grade fans:D
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appreciate for the fast response psyclum smile.gif

ok.. finally, we can eliminate the tight budget, i discussed with my wife about it and we have room for more,.. do you think H80 will fit on that? you know i did break some caps on my Biostar some time ago with H60, turns out i have to re-arrange position to fit perfecly but its too late to notice frown.gif,.. H80 did come to my mind, but those caps located pretty near to the socket, damn i got to be sure it will not harm the caps..

anyway, thx for the suggestion, i'll think through again before i order tomorrow, but H80 will become first option thumb.gif plus 4x 14cm case fans.

i'll update..


thx again
flo
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post #4 of 15
to be honest i don't really know.

ideally, you'd use some high speed fans(4000 to 5000rpm) with the stock xeon coolers to keep it cool. do you still have the stock tower coolers for the xeon chips? is this a machine you intend to keep on a perma basis? or just something temporary? if you are keeping it for the long term, i'd strongly recommend you buy a real server case for it instead of using the 800D. you can get a cheap server case and buy some good fans for it and it should do the job. do realize server fans are extremely loud so you might want to get a fan controller that can handle the fans like the rheosmart6(30 watts per channel) to keep the noise bearable while idle.

until you can get a proper setup for that board, i'd recommend using the stock xeon cooler with 4 of your most powerful case fans you can find on the top/back of the 800D supplying cool air. open up the 5.25 faceplates on the 800D and let the front of the case act as exhaust ports. this configuration should hold you over till you get a more permanent solution to this hardware.

edit: btw the fans i suggested here are pretty much overkill for your application and you can get the 4000rpm fans instead of the 5200rpm fan like i linked.
Edited by psyclum - 1/24/12 at 1:09am
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ever considered liquid cooling the cpus?
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i guess a h60 could fit
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post #7 of 15
The 800D is not a very good case for air cooling, I'd just get a couple of H50s or something else that it's easy to get fresh air to.
If you're running stock coolers it's probably just getting that hot because the air is circulating around inside the case.

EDIT: That or the configuration with as many fans as possible and some open 5.25" bays that psyclum mentioned, I don't believe server fans are needed at stock speeds though as decent coolers and a few consumer-grade fans will keep those CPUs cool anyway.
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post #8 of 15
what you guys are not realizing is how much actual room the board has for for mounting a cooler. there is alot less room for a cooler in a dual cpu board. Intel does not mess around when it comes to their workstation/server products. the stock cooler for a xeon chip is actually a very good cooler. they cant afford to include a cheap cooler for the server market if they intend to charge $1000+ per chip.

the OP included a pic of the exact mobo he's working with. look at it closely, look at the mounting holes for cpu cooler, look at the capacitors and other components around the socket. look at how close the RAM slots are. look at the orientation of the RAM sockets as opposed to conventional mobo's. notice how close the 2 cpu sockets are together? all of these differences means heatsinks DESIGNED for conventional mobo isn't going to work very well for this board (yes that includes liquid cooling that is designed for something other then a server board. besides, registered ECC memory run VERY hot and REQUIRE active cooling. not something a H80 can provide.

overall, intel is not about to ruin their server market reputation by supplying bad heatsink for their xeon chip. just use the stock heatsink and use fans around / near the heatsink to cool it down like it's designed to do.
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thx all smile.gif

i had schyte 3000rpm push pull on my sold trux couple years ago, damn loud, i couldnt possibly except that anymore now redface.gif, i build this part by part since last year and attend to use it for at least 2-4 years that only do rendering, i use my sig rig for daily tasks smile.gif

yes, ive thought about watercooling it, the best one, not the kits smile.gif, but with all the bills and taking care of family in our small apartment redface.gif,.. umm,.. it will get there rolleyes.gif,..

ok.. ok.. i got my dream case, ....if,.. i said if,.. i just use whatever i have now just like psyclum suggested, and yes im using stock tower cooler, buy 4x 14cm noctua for bottom and upper case and see how temps gonna be? currently im just using the fans that came with the case frown.gif,.. i'll start render for new client tomorrow, will take around 8-14hrs, we will see the temps, if not satisfied then i'll need another options,.. and o yes, tonite im gona try my sigs H60 to the xoen and see if it fits thumb.gif

and psyclum smile.gif, sorry man, there no way im going to use that 3000-5000 rpm typhoon fans biggrin.gif


now,.. will see

thx so much
flo

EDIT: is 75-80c stable load for 12 hrs consider "ok" for this dual xeon?.. ive seen my old q6600 as high as 75c, but not that long, only 2-3hrs per day for gaming
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the smallest heatsink i found, without having ram clearance problems, is the thermalright hr-01 plus
it is a bit smaller 110mm, perhaps it will fit?

http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/product_page/cpu/hr01plus/product_cpu_cooler_hr01plus.htm
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