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Looks so nice. I guess I need to get a usb joystick now unless it somehow works with a 360 pad.
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Originally Posted by Cyph3r View Post

What's wrong with that?
Apart from being a bit unrealistic, DCS will be releasing other Flying Legends planes to go with the P51 in the future, but for now I think it's fine it'll be mixed with the A10C and KA-50. The P51D can actually fly slightly faster than a A10C when cruising, and they have the same max speed. The A10C has a better rate of climb, but the P51 is far more maneuverable. The P51D at the hands of a relatively decent pilot should be able to dance all around an A10C and take it down.

The acceleration and armor of the A-10 will simply outclass the P-51. If the P-51 wins a co-alt dogfight, it's because the A-10 did something oh-so-very wrong. In dogfights, top speed isn't really all that useful unless you are chasing or running away.

If the P-51 even just barely enters the A-10's 30mm Gatling's crosshairs... well, there won't be much of the P-51 left.

I imagine in A-10 vs P-51 dogfights, the "rope-a-dope" is going to be a very useful maneuver.

EDIT:
I uh... happen to be a WWII and aviation nut... Don't judge me! redface.gif
Edited by SectorNine50 - 1/24/12 at 4:34pm
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The acceleration and armor of the A-10 will simply outclass the P-51. If the P-51 wins a co-alt dogfight, it's because the A-10 did something oh-so-very wrong. In dogfights, top speed isn't really all that useful unless you are chasing or running away.
If the P-51 even just barely enters the A-10's 30mm Gatling's crosshairs... well, there won't be much of the P-51 left.
I imagine in A-10 vs P-51 dogfights, the "rope-a-dope" is going to be a very useful maneuver.
EDIT:
I uh... happen to be a WWII and aviation nut... Don't judge me! redface.gif

It's a completely unrealistic situation but I think you're underestimating the P51 in this scenario. Remember that the P51 is tiny compared to the A10, yes the A10 has a massive armour advantage but the A10 is like the titanic compared to the P51 Iceberg. The A10 doesn't have the maneuverability to escape the P51 sites unless it starts to climb, and it really wouldn't be able to get the P51 in its sights unless the P51 makes a mistake. Also the P51 doesn't have any red hot jets for missiles to lock on to.

To be honest though, I think both planes have their ups and downs and it'd come down to the pilot in the end. A good P51 pilot should be able to take down an average A10 pilot in game and vice versa. I guess we'll see soon though!
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Quote:
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It's a completely unrealistic situation but I think you're underestimating the P51 in this scenario. Remember that the P51 is tiny compared to the A10, yes the A10 has a massive armour advantage but the A10 is like the titanic compared to the P51 Iceberg. The A10 doesn't have the maneuverability to escape the P51 sites unless it starts to climb, and it really wouldn't be able to get the P51 in its sights unless the P51 makes a mistake. Also the P51 doesn't have any red hot jets for missiles to lock on to.
To be honest though, I think both planes have their ups and downs and it'd come down to the pilot in the end. A good P51 pilot should be able to take down an average A10 pilot in game and vice versa. I guess we'll see soon though!

I'm aware of the size differences, but think about this:

P-51 Rate of Climb: ~3600 ft/m (limited duration on War Emergency Power) otherwise ~3200 ft/m
A-10 Rate of Climb: 6000 ft/m (sustained Military Power)

This is nearly twice the climb rate, which will roughly translate to twice the acceleration! This means higher sustained speed in maneuvers as well.

If the P-51 got the A-10 within 300-400 yards (considered the effective gun range of an M2 mounted on an aircraft) after initial merge, I would be incredibly impressed. Once you get above the 51 and start doing boom and zoom attacks, it's only a matter of time before the A-10 gets a gun solution.

Just as a note, the Merlin V-12 in the P-51 puts out more than enough heat for a missile to lock on to. Hell, my dad's business partner flew for the Navy during the cold war era, and those damn missiles would track a lit cigarette on the deck of a carrier in the middle of a storm without a single issue. He said it was borderline eery watching them track the poor guy just innocently smoking his cigarette.

Also, if you are into WWII aviation and flight simulators, give the WWII air combat MMO called Aces High a shot. Steep learning curve, but an absolute blast once you get the hang of it. It has some of the most well-researched flight models I've ever seen in a WWII game, it's really staggering. Plus, reenactment of WWII scenarios is an absolute blast as well. Allied bomber missions into Germany will put you in the midst of 100's of fighters and bombers fighting it out all at once, it's quite a sight!

But anyway, you are correct, we will certainly find out!
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i am sure that dcs will have a number of ww2 planes and maps based on ww2 and probably vietnam. They are pretty serious about their simulators and im sure that they wont be very happy to see a p51 flyging next to an a10 or engaging an mig 29.
    
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What is this nonsense about a P51 dog fighting an A-10? IS ED making a real WWII dog fighting sim or slapping a P51 into some weird timeline?
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Quote:
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Am i dreaming? Is this really true? Online dog fights? I need a towel.

Better yet, gimme a truckload of them.

This has to be one of the best days in the recent gaming history. eek.gif
   
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DSC: P-51D ?

Omg, yes!!!
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Personally i wish they just made a separate game. The A-10 is not made for air 2 air combat even though it cab be equipped with Aim missiles. Its just not right to have a p-51 in a game that has A-10 and KA on multiplayer. I am thought excited for the 1 vs 1 dogfights
   
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