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Just because you can't tell the difference does not mean there isn't one. Even if it saved you unperceivable milliseconds every time you booted, loaded up your web browser, etc., those milliseconds add up.
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You found a 2500k at $180!?! Send me the link. At the prices ive seen the 2500k is $230, the 2600k is $330, the 8120 is $200 and the 8150 is $260. This makes amd cheaper.
 
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So it didn't state at all how people determined any sort of differences between the two systems or what they were doing on them so I find this test moot.

Oh my God, read the thread. Multiple people who were there have posted, all systems were playing BF3 campaign. And at the event, they didn't call it "AMD Reality Check" they just had a booth set up, no sign, and never told anyone what they were doing.
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If you click on the link at the bottom of the article that says more information. Here http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1838/1/ you can see that the everything on the outside was the same. Also it states that this was only a gaming test no apps or anything else included. Just gaming. Its says they used the same ram. When it comes to other components used they are just comparing pricing. Not component qualtiy. Price plays a much bigger role in purchasing than specs do. They used the same AMD ddr3 performance ram in each system.

This is a test to see a difference in performance when the same amount of money is spent, not the same components are used. Price. Which is a much bigger determinant in purchasing than the components themselves when it comes to the average pc builder.

This is only a comparison in gaming performance. Stop trying to pull out all these different factors that dont apply. They are only testing the gaming performance comparisons with systems of the same price. That is all....

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Originally Posted by Homeles View Post

Just because you can't tell the difference does not mean there isn't one. Even if it saved you unperceivable milliseconds every time you booted, loaded up your web browser, etc., those milliseconds add up.
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You can get an i7 2600k for the same price as the cpu they used in the test, therefore making the intel total cost the same o cheaper.....Microsoft sells i5 2500k @ 179 and i6 2700k @ 279...Much cheaper than anywhere else, and the prices they listed.

Whats with all this stuff trying to put AMD down. It was a simple test that compared two similarly priced rigs one with intel and one with amd cpus their gaming performance. What is the big deal. The only thing they are showing here is that to the average gamer there is no real difference in performance with two similarly priced rigs. Even though this test showed that AMD rigs performed better doesnt mean they did. That is what the user experienced. This is not that big of a deal. Its understandable if you are a die hard intel fan but jeez, you dont have to get all bent out of shape and try to justify the situation... Your posts are not going to change the outcome of this test. Both AMD and Intel make great CPU's so whats the big deal. Just because you like intel and dont like amd doesnt mean that everyone else has to. This was a simple test with simple results so lets try to keep it simple and not try to complicate it. Lets just all get along. There is nothing wrong with intel or amd processors. If you like intel then get intel. If you like amd get amd. Thats all there is to it. Just get the CPU that you want and that works for you and you will be happy. That is all......
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Oh my God, read the thread. Multiple people who were there have posted, all systems were playing BF3 campaign. And at the event, they didn't call it "AMD Reality Check" they just had a booth set up, no sign, and never told anyone what they were doing.

I know that the multiplayer bf3 is very mutlithreaded but I am pretty sure that bf3 campaign is lightly threaded therefore making this test even better when comparing performance with mulitcore cpus IMO.
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Yeah, with numbers assisting and in a benchmark program rolleyes.gif
If they weren't playing games like Skyrim, Crysis, Far Cry 2, and Star Craft, the performance is very comparable between CPUs, especially with systems running it at max settings.
Most of the people probably were undecided and just went with "Ahh I'll just pick number 2, the performance is too close to tell". I do it all the time.

If they could not tell the difference then why would they not pick the option of no difference??? They had three options. Rig A, Rig B or no difference. If there is not differrence then I am pretty sure that most people would pick no difference. Why would you think that if with there experience they could tell no difference that they wouldnt pick no difference?? It would make logical sense to pick "no difference" if while playing on both rigs you could not tell a difference. What you're saying just doesnt make any sense to me. It's simple. If rig A is performing better, pick rig A. If rig B performs better pick rig B. If you could not tell the difference between the performance of the two then pick no difference. Sounds pretty simple to me. Why would you pick rig A or rig B if you could not tell the difference in performance between the two???? That just doesnt make sense.
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Sadly this is not the case.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/7
Now there are *some* tests where the AMD chip does quite well, but in the majority it is performing terribly, often worse than the i5. The important thing to note here is consistency, something the Intel chips pull off quite well. Meanwhile the AMD chip fluctuates like CRAZY, enjoying some programs and utterly hating the rest.
So really, the only people who should want the AMD chip are people who know exactly what they want to do with it. Otherwise I would recommend an i3, a Phenom, i5 or i7 to the average consumer. Not a Bulldozer.

Look at the x264 benchmarks here and keep in mind the second test usually goes for a lot longer than the first test. For video encoding, like he said, BD is a great chip.
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lol @ all the people who continue to argue over which CPU is better. You guys really don't have anything better to do with your life do you?
Bottom line is this test (and others like it) has shown that the average consumer would never know the difference from my system to their crappy Dell. The vast majority of the world just wants a PC to run when they turn it on and surf the net, play facebook games, etc. I sell PCs as a secondary source of income, have been doing it for years, and while people think my system is cool to look at they have no interest in owning one or spending the money for it.
$500 is what most people top out at for a computer, no more. They use their TVs or an old monitor from their previous system and don't care about top of the line performance. No one benchmarks unless you are a geek. No one runs Fraps or Afterburner to monitor fps during games. No one overclocks their system. These things are all reserved for the tiny 5% or less of us.
Most people are coming to me to build systems, want to upgrade from single core CPUs with 512 MB of RAM and onboard graphics. Any new PC sold at Walmart would be a huge upgrade to them.
As for those of us who are 'enthusiast,' I dare you to run a similar test. I bet if you had someone set up 2 systems, side by side, one with a FX 8150 and the other with a i5 2500k in it. At stock settings you would be hard pressed to figure out which was which. Be it in gaming (old or new) or just general desktop usage. Turn off all the monitoring software and you would be clueless.

QFT.
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+1. Its drive speed for everyday tasks, gpu for gameing. The cpu is only really important in encoding as long as it dosnt hold the other stuff back

There's a handful of tasks that tax the CPU and a handful of games (SCII, etc) that do but for the most part this is correct. You'll hit a HDD or GPU bottleneck before a CPU bottleneck unless you run CFX/SLI.

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The differences would be pretty clear in games like skyrim, SC2 etc. and BD would also be noticeably worse if the systems in question had pretty much any modern CFX/SLI config in them, at least if we believe the many multi-GPU reviews of BD.
Skyrim, really?

I didn't see a difference going from a 2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo to a 3.6Ghz Tricore in Skyrim, I'm pretty sure the difference between a 3.4Ghz quad and 3.6Ghz quad, both of which have 8 threads would be infinitely small. Most of the Skyrim "CPU" bottleneck is when people are running insanely fast GPU setups or the HDD holding them back, on a GTX 470 OCed to GTX 480 speeds there's no difference to me at least.
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Just because you can't tell the difference does not mean there isn't one. Even if it saved you unperceivable milliseconds every time you booted, loaded up your web browser, etc., those milliseconds add up.

Except both of those tasks are and always will be limited by your storage, whether its an SSD or even a RAMDisk. And if you're that concerned about milliseconds then you'd be better off replacing all the storage with SSDs which would do a lot more than going from BD to SB, even in gaming. (Load times)
    
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People gonna buy what they gonna buy, my 1100t does fine for me, my next build it probably won't but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. All this brand fanboy nonsense needs to be dropped and look at the numbers and the numbers only. AMD may have run the test, but it doesn't change that the machines were identical. BD is bad, but I know for a fact Intel isn't perfect, mainly having a few CPUs that cost as much as half my sig rig. *Shivers*

We should compare dollar per mhz, to get fair assessments of what's better, otherwise, it will always be a toss up, AMD beats Intel on somethings where as Intel beats AMD on other things. Same goes for GPUs, Ram, HDDs, everything.
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Nice test,glad i have a AMD rig...............................thumb.gif
    
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