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Autodesk Inventor 2013 beta, using all 6 on my 1100t as we speak. Rendering is where almost all of the necessary power in cad software goes dude, presenting the ridiculously fine detail on your screen. Solidworks is also much lower power requirements than inventor, this is common knowledge.
In response to the test, yes, its an interesting marketing illusion, and a good one at that, as I've said before, bring Intel's top of the line down to 400 bucks and I'll change sides. AMD has always been the efficient use of money group while intel is a power hitter, it will always be this way. As for BD putting them out, lol, look at the pinto, didn't kill ford, killed its users, not the company.

If render time is a majority of the time spent when CAD modeling, you need a 3930K, period. For most people, you can model/modify a part, even something like a 50MB 3D scan with several thousand surfaces, and the rebuild time is all of 10-15 seconds. When you're working on it, rotating it, etc, you're not using 6 cores, or even 4.
 
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Already posted several days ago. Just not from FUDzilla
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I was at the show. I saw the test going on (though I did not participate) but just from watching the people play on the two different systems, I could not tell any performance difference between the two. It seems to me that it was very hard for the participants to decide which system was better. To me it looked more like they were trying to guess which one was the AMD system (since the event was full of AMD fanboys). So I see no point in this test. If the system, regardless of guts, can max out the game, then it becomes extremely different to tell what hardware is being used just by playing a game.
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Autodesk Inventor 2013 beta, using all 6 on my 1100t as we speak. Rendering is where almost all of the necessary power in cad software goes dude, presenting the ridiculously fine detail on your screen. Solidworks is also much lower power requirements than inventor, this is common knowledge.
In response to the test, yes, its an interesting marketing illusion, and a good one at that, as I've said before, bring Intel's top of the line down to 400 bucks and I'll change sides. AMD has always been the efficient use of money group while intel is a power hitter, it will always be this way. As for BD putting them out, lol, look at the pinto, didn't kill ford, killed its users, not the company.

If render time is a majority of the time spent when CAD modeling, you need a 3930K, period. For most people, you can model/modify a part, even something like a 50MB 3D scan with several thousand surfaces, and the rebuild time is all of 10-15 seconds. When you're working on it, rotating it, etc, you're not using 6 cores, or even 4.

The thing is I work on assembly files with like 50k+parts. All of which are individually rendered. My core usage is pretty decent, can recompile a 7500 part assembly in around 3 seconds.
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Maybe something with the 2700k's hyperthreading makes things feel less smooth? thinking.gif
I do know there are cases where the 2500k beats a 2600k.

No, CPUs don't make a difference in at least one gaming title. (Shock horror!)

I've been saying this for a while, I don't know what crack review sites are on but I only saw the difference between a E6700 @ Stock (2.66Ghz) and my overclocked Phenom II Tri Core in BF3, in terms of gaming. Everything else it was leagues faster.
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While the test is interesting, people won't take it all that seriously because AMD hosted the event. Most likely they adjusted settings so that the GPU was stressed more than the CPU. Besides its hard to tell a difference when FPS is above 60. I don't mean to talk down so much on the 8150, in fact I think its a much better CPU than people give it credit for, but the 2700K does gets higher game benchmarks.

You mean they had it set up like 99% of people in the real world do? If you game and you're on a single card (Especially around or below the HD6970 level) you won't notice a difference between a FX-8150 @ stock and a 2700k @ 5Ghz. Go for what is cheapest, seriously.
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no offense, but an 8150 is never faster than a 2700k...

A H7970 always beats a GTX 580, but would you ever notice the difference in say, any of Valves games? No. Pretty much all of them would be above 60fps all the time even on my GTX 470. That's the point of this (Probably biased) test, benchmarks and review sites are showing differences that just aren't really there when you're actually playing.
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This is a good test for people who don't care about numbers like we do here on OCN. Not a bad game for AMD to play honestly. If I was a consumer and saw this test with no real world difference I would have a hard time buying the more expensive intel processor just because its theoretically faster.

People on OCN only care about numbers because there's not much else to get a semi-decent measure of experience, I'm sure if we had a tech site post a video of a game being played (On the same area) side by side with two systems, without telling anyone which system is which, then had a vote as to which was the most smooth and then when that vote was over, they revealed which was which, people would see AMD much better than they do.
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AMD is good enough. You cant really show CPU bottleneck unless you test it in games CPU makes a difference. For exmaple play some SC2 custom map with a 2500K and a 8150 FX both overcloked to the MAX. As game goes on and more units are in the screen FX CPU will slow down to unplayable fps way before 2500K. I have tried this with mnay CPU, Q6600, 955, 920, 2500K, 3700+. Also take a CF setup. While AMD might pull decent fps in CPU side {good enough]} that does not mean its as good and the faster one is not needed. Kind of like saying which is faster a Ferrari @ 100KM/h or Honda @ 100KM/h. A lot of these games are are used to Consoles and really 60fps for them is Golden. In PC gaming 60fps is the min.

60fps is also the max unless you run a 120Hz monitor. wink.gif
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But i prefer a Intel build with a 2500K for cheaper and faster. AMD forgets that 2700K is not the only one that beats their CPU. Its 920, 930, 940, 950, 960, 2500K, 2600K, 750, 760, 860 and more that i have forgotten.

2500k is hardly cheaper than say, a 965.
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Back on topic, I really would like to see a third party do this kind of test, to keep bias out... Could be interesting

And with video evidence, too.
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"What system gave a better gaming experience?" is too subjective. Maybe people enjoyed one system over another because they got more kills on it or they just hate sitting on the left hand side.

Semi-true, although considering benchmarks show differences that aren't really there (According to a trusted review site there should be a decent difference between a stock E6750 and a stock 720, now considering I had the E6700 which was slower than the E6750 and my x3 720 is overclocked to 3.6Ghz, I should be seeing quite a large difference. In reality? When I game, unless I'm playing BF3 (Or probably SupCom, but I never played it on the E6700) I haven't seen any difference at all. They're just as smooth as each other.
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I understand that that is when it is most CPU dependent, however who in their right mind would play a game a that low of settings and resolution?

QFT. It's no use going "THIS CPUS MUCH MORE SLOW IN GAMING!" when 1) None of us game at those settings and 2) By the time the real difference would show, most of us would have upgraded anyway...
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I use a CRT and I find this offensive.

CRT doesn't mean low resolution, specifically. Quake was made on some massive 1080p CRT. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post

Nice PR stunt. You could probably have used a 4100, older X4, some other i5 or i3, and likely not have noticed a difference. Now the large number that actually felt like there was a difference...? I can't explain that part.... I'm not saying the 8150 should not have been able to keep up, but in gaming at moderate resolutions, it's been show that there's really no difference in perceptible performance for a huge range of CPU's.

You'd be surprised at how many people don't realise the CPU doesn't really make much of a difference in gaming anymore.
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since their silicons failed at scientific benchmarks using performance numbers, they decided to go subjective and do this kinda "experience" thing rolleyes.gif
just...wow amd. i thought you are better than that.

So if I got a 2600k and it say, had microstutter due to the HT, it wouldn't matter that I'm getting a bad experience from it because I'm getting good performance numbers that mean something between bugger and all when I'm actually playing a game? You can stare at benchmarks all day long, but for people who actually game experience is the key thing. I'm saying that as someone who will almost definitely be going to Ivy Bridge unless Piledriver is complete awesomesauce.
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now if i were one of the tester i'd run folding@home CPU SMP on that thing and bust their show tongue.gif
although i'll give AMD credit for thinking of such a witty test.

Because F@H is gaming performance, right? Oh wait...It was trying to show that if you run a single card, you probably won't notice the difference between a 2700k and a FX-8150. While AMD could have gone for a 2500k instead, it shows something a lot of OCNers don't realise for whatever reason....
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What a joke.

Do explain how this is a joke.
    
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I think it's more proof that the layman in this day and age of CPU excess simply has no clue which systems are faster or slower.

CPUs have gotten to the "fast enough" point for the majority of computer users. Unless a person is an advanced workstation/power user, most people cannot tell the difference.
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CRT doesn't mean low resolution, specifically. Quake was made on some massive 1080p CRT. tongue.gif
Not the kind of CRT I have frown.gif
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Is there any where we can go to get the details on this 'blind test' ? What games were tested?
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I wouldn't count on it, the direct reading of the available data says amd wins by a landslide. Why release more data?
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AMD definitely proved a point. On the most advanced PC game to date (at least in terms of multiplayer), people couldn't tell a difference between the AMD CPU and Intel CPU, even if the AMD CPU is inferior. In fact, most people voted for the AMD system as the winner, which means that AMD did something right... at least in this test. Bear in mind, Battlefield 3 is not a CPU limited game provided you have 3 or 4 cores that are moderately fast. Hell, I can turn my graphics settings on low, go into a 64-man server, and watch fraps from every angle, and my framerate on my crappy phenom II X4 will never drop below 60 fps. The CPU is more than powerful enough to handle to most demanding situations in the game easily.

AMD's Achilles heel in all of this is the damn power consumption of Bulldozer. If that had been better, then AMD might have won me over on their new architecture. Since intel is out front in both overall performance and efficiency, it's hard to give AMD any credit. However, in terms of gaming, it's apparent that the gaming industry is mostly GPU-limited right now. That's a good thing for AMD.
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