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Something that I think people here are forgetting is that while console graphics have gotten better during the life-cycle of this generation, the resolution at which they are coded is much lower than what most PC gaming enthusiasts are using and hasn't increased since I last looked, for example MW2 was coded at I think 1024x600, then upscaled to 720p/1080p (stretched to be viewed at higher resolution displays but with lower image quality as a result, for example a 600p image stretched to 1080p over 32"-50" HDTV's).
Then there is the lack of Anti-Aliasing on the current gen hardware (although I think there have been some workarounds with shader smoothing?)
New graphics engines have allowed gradually better looking textures and other graphical features to be used on console hardware (consider forza 4's lighting system) but there are a hell of alot of optimizations in this area where some textures have been lowered just to keep things running smoothly, and can result in some horrible quality images.
I think what I have written above are some of the contributing reasons why console games still look "almost" as good as PC games on such old hardware, but there are now lots of PC games that are ridiculously better in the graphics department.
As a test play some games on PC at 1280x720, with medium graphical quality and no AA/AF, and use a 360/pc controller. You will most likely think your playing on a console.
The other fact is that most console gamers like someone else has said, don't actually care too much whether your PC is this much faster than their console, what they see on the console is what they are given and appear to be happy with that, and don't seem to pine for faster performance, more frame rates or even consider what resolution a specific game was actually coded at, they've got a HDTV and a shiny new console! woop! and it ends there it seems, any thing extra they think is a luxury like facebook and youtube being added to 360 was like **** amazing to most console gamers.
There may be more to this but I'll sit back for a bit now.
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If I had kept my 7 yr old PC back when I had a 1950XTX GPU, and just added a quad-core CPU and played at 720p resolution, with like no AA to 2xAA and no AF at medium settings
Would I still be playing all the latest games? (considering in this thread someone linked a 1950xtx playing crysis 2). YES
The other point to the whole console gfx thing is that during optimization, image quality and overall textures and other graphical effects have to be limited because of the hardware. As a result developers had to come up with innovative methods to keep improving the look of console games, which is actually positive.
What I cannot understand is, why use a GPU that will be 2 generations old by the time it is used in the new console? I would suspect this News article to be speculation and really they will be using a higher end one like the 6950/70's or 7950/70's but with lower clocks and custom made for the new console to suit costs.

VERY well said imo. People forget that while yes, you can play bf3 or crysis 2 on an xbox, they only run @ 720p (but not really most run at even lower resolutions than that) and have no AA/AF.

I guarantee you can play ANY game out there with an 8800gt from 5 years ago @ 720p with no AA/AF. When you look at any gpu benchmarks the lowest they even go is 1050p......so we can't even get a feel for how games would perform at that low of a resolution.

+rep
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post #102 of 546
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Games are optimized WAY better for consoles... Why have a 7970 in a console? Overkill much...

Did someone suggest having a 7970 in a console?


HAHAHAHA what a muppet (not you of course, whoever suggested it)


LIKE THEY WOULD PUT A $500 CARD IN A CONSOLE THEY WANT TO BE CHEAP AND APPEAL TO THE MAINSTREAM tongue.gif

By the end of this consoles run this 6670 will no doubt be performing at a 7970 level anyhow.


5 years ago the top of the line graphics card was I believe an 8800gt when the xbox was released? An 8800gt would not have ANYTHING on an xbox 360 now. 8800gt is probably lowest settings without any anti aliasing on most new games, and an xbox probably runs equivilant to low settings and some forms of anti aliasing with some games, I would rather have an xbox then a 8800gt graphics wise. (not in real though because I like fps)



edit: though choosing an expensive card, they are likely to sell millions and millions of these so they could buy in bulk and reduce costs severely...

Hmm... I would rather see a 6870 in there.
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Alienware X51 shows what is doable, make it happen M$, none of this 6670 poop.
 
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...That x1950xt won't run any modern game the way a console does...Get over it...Like...Seriously? rolleyes.gif *not unless theyre source based*
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[quote name="jameschisholm"
*SNIP*
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Incorrect, the Xbox360 DOES in fact have Anti-Aliasing capabilities, and some games have used it in the past. It is at the developer's discretion to use it or not to use it, as it uses quite a bit of the GPU power that is already lacking on the consoles. The PS3 however, does NOT have Anti-Aliasing capabilities, which is perhaps where you got the idea from.
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...That x1950xt won't run any modern game the way a console does...Get over it...Like...Seriously? rolleyes.gif *not unless theyre source based*

An x1900xt could definitely run anything @ 720p, no AA/AF. Stop lying to yourself, console games look like crap and thats why they can still be run on a 5 year old console.

Why do people refuse to realize console games run @ 720p or lower resolutions?
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Games are optimized WAY better for consoles... Why have a 7970 in a console? Overkill much...

No amount of optimization wil make 6670 a decen GPU, and it's going to be a custom chip , nothing you can directly compare to PC GPU's.
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...That x1950xt won't run any modern game the way a console does...Get over it...Like...Seriously? rolleyes.gif *not unless theyre source based*

You don't even know how wrong you are , x1950xt will run games in the same quality as PS3 or XBox , check the video posted before for a sample.
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I couldnt care less about the hardware, since anyone could call its not going to be top of the line...but I do care very much about the software...good graphics dont make good games.
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The performance difference a console can pull of a graphics card, in comparison to the what a PC could do with the same card, tend to become smaller at every new generation, and seems to be exaggerated by some users here.

Most games today are made to run at 720p and 30fps on consoles, sometimes with lowered settings. Sure you can increase resolution and FPS on the PC, but that will only get you so far in terms of visuals.

Imagine a game that would only run at 720p and 30fps on a fairly new enthusiast PC, we don't have anything like this now, but I guarantee the difference would be huge. I guess a gt8800 can still play most, if not all games we have today, at 720p and 30fps.

The console business model for game enthusiast just doesn't make sense anymore. I wish M$ would just get off the console race or release one that used windows 8 and x64.
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