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thats a laptop gpu
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Originally Posted by icehotshot View Post

Yes you are right when you look at different applications (look at the bulldozer fail), but in this instance the only task we are talking about is gaming because you don't run windows on an xbox.

Gaming is a very broad category that uses the CPU for many kinds of work.

The Core 2 being vastly wider and out-of-order is certainly an enormous advantage in many gaming tasks. It is hard to directly compare them, but have you seen how poorly similarly narrow in-order architectures do?

Of course XBox game should be optimized specifically for the Xenon CPU, but even so, expecting such a chip to significantly outperform another one from the same generation, for a fairly broad set of tasks, while only using half the number of transistors (XBox 360s Xenon has ~165 million, a Core 2 Duo ~291 million) is a bit far fetched.
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I am not saying I support consoles, they ruin PC gaming for the most part, but:

1) Game writers can make the games to run ONLY on the console so they become "super" optimized. Whereas on a PC you have to code the game to work with many different hardware combos. Therefore a console with 1/2 the raw power of a PC could *hypothetically* have better graphics and such. However, with the advancement of computer technology, and the fact that consoles can't be upgraded every year, even mid ranged PCs blow them away when they are launched, if not a year later.

2) If we have to accept the harsh reality and take this optimistically, this will make the infamous console ports a bit better. Although I predict they will still be awful.
    
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@ Blameless. I hear what you are saying but consoles are designed for the long haul. Whatever they put in now will be the norm for the next 10 years so using something as slow as a 6670 just does not sound feasible. Also getting games to look as good as they do now on consoles took years of refining. With the limited power of a 6670 based chip developers would struggle to make launch games look much better then current gen games.

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Pretty sure this will only make PC gaming all that more appealing to the masses
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Let's just try to not take it all out of context. As a PC only gamer Uncharted 3 rivals the best looking games on our platform. Note I didn't say it looked better but it sure as heck looks amazing.

Skilled developers will make beautiful games on these machines that is one thing you can be sure of.
    
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@Blameless: There is less abstraction than with an API like DirectX or OpenGL. Performance and control are much greater given the time investment.
Edited by Riou - 1/24/12 at 5:59pm
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M$ should wait for at least DX12 imo
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@ Blameless. I hear what you are saying but consoles are designed for the long haul. Whatever they put in now will be the norm for the next 10 years so using something as slow as a 6670 just does not sound feasible. Also getting games to look as good as they do now on consoles took years of refining. With the limited power of a 6670 based chip developers would struggle to make launch games look much better then current gen games.

Yes, consoles are designed for long product cycles (though I do not expect this next generation to last 10 years, more like 5-6). Still, I do not see a huge problem with roughly 6670 level hardware being used.

I don't really agree about launch titles. The (6670) hardware is already mature, so many optimizations and tricks should already be well known. It's not like developers would be handed hardware that was virtually unknown up to that point like with consoles of a few generations ago.
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at least we would get 6 times better graphics. on pc's we can't get that graphics on a similar hardware.

they made godofwar3 and uncharted 2 look great on crappy hardware. this would be great imo
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