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Originally Posted by Kirby1 View Post

Thats not so bad. PS3 run on a 7900GT nvidia chip which is super old and outdated. If theycan get games like Skyrim and Crysis2 running on that as well as they can now then surely the games they can get running on a 6670 will be pretty awesome compared to the console ports we get now.

I'm pretty sure it was a 7800 derivative? But that's not the point; The 7800/7900 GTX series was mid-high end when the PS3 was in production. The 6670 is an entry level mid-range card at best, and is probably around the same power as a 9800GTX or 4830/4850. That is pathetic. While Consoles do have the advantage of bypassing an API, do you really think a 6670 can do 1080p with 60fps + AA consistently? Not to mention this is almost 2 years prior to release. The 6670 will be ancient and very low end by this time.

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Originally Posted by Bit_reaper View Post

I think we covered the "consoles are more optimized" angle already in this thread. No matter how much you optimize you cant do miracles. If Microsoft is not willing to push the envelope then maybe Sony will. Also this is not the only rumor in town see --> http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/18/xbox-nextxbox-720-chips-in-production/ (this is the 3rd time this is posted in this thread).

Meh, if Microsoft aren't going to do it, Sony probably won't either. The PS4 will probably be 5-15% better at best.
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

It will be more than fine, trust me. Consoles are easier to program for because you program direct to metal, therefore it is more optimized and you get *more* out of the hardware.
The current xbox 360 uses a 7 year old chip and heck it does fine - look at games like dark souls or crysis 2. They're pretty impressive graphically.
720 will be worthy, trust me smile.gif

Optimization can't do miracles. It's a 6670 for god's sake. And this is almost two years prior to the release of the console.

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Originally Posted by Blameless View Post

Yes, consoles are designed for long product cycles (though I do not expect this next generation to last 10 years, more like 5-6). Still, I do not see a huge problem with roughly 6670 level hardware being used.
I don't really agree about launch titles. The (6670) hardware is already mature, so many optimizations and tricks should already be well known. It's not like developers would be handed hardware that was virtually unknown up to that point like with consoles of a few generations ago.

While I agree it would be advantageous to use a mature GPU, it isn't really great for the long term lifespan. The console would reach its limits fairly quickly.
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post #192 of 546
Graphically power only 20% better than the Wii U? I guess Nintendo is catching up wink.gif

I want to say the 200w limit for consoles is baloney when the Wii U is based on the 4800 series GPU, which has a much higher power draw than the 6670.

Maybe its a typo by the article and they meant to say the 6700 series? It would make a lot more sense power draw and performance wise. Or maybe Nintendo hooked up a bigger PSU to their console...

It doesn't make sense for M$ to skimp on the hardware considering the competition, and also the fact the hardware has to last at least half a decade.
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Again there is no way they are just putting a 6670 in there. The first and most obvious reason for this is Microsoft does not own the 6670 design.
If you remember the last time Microsoft did not use their own chip they had a huge fight with Nvidia over costs. AMD is going to design a chip for Microsoft and it will be a chip you will not even be able to buy for your PC.
So please lets take this one with a grain of salt.

I don't think anyone is insinuating it will be an exact 6670, it is implied that it would be an architecture based very closely to the 6670. Just like the 360 and PS3 use GPUs very similar to PC GPUs of the time.
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Last time I checked console games are CREATED on a PC, when a console can make it's own games to the level at which a PC can, then try comparing.
I would also ask the OCN community, what can a PC do over a console? = huge list
So the whole price argument is silly. Really it boils down to what you prefer and what you want to do.

Agreed that the price argument is silly, but I think he was trying to point out that comparing performance between consoles and PCs is pretty much worthless, as console gamers really could care less.
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post #195 of 546
given the current machine does just fine now, i'd say this "claim" would mean wonders for console gaming. provided theres any truth in it.
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post #196 of 546
Really? A 6670 GPU variant on the 720? What a joke, I expected better.
    
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so no tessellation on 720 then?
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Eh? 6670 gfx card ? Thats not exactly powerful - is it. They want to passive cool it or why did they pick so weak card. Now I kinda understand that they plan to use it for relatively low resolutions - max up to 1920x1080 but in my opinion they are kinda shooting themselves into a leg here by omitting 4k display resolution support that 7000 series offers. Or corresponding alternative from nvidia.
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Im calling it now:

Wii U will be the low range next gen console

Xbox will be mid-range

PS4 will be high-end

PC games will be scaled across the consoles.


And a lot of "HD" remakes will come out and this time some will be remakes of remakes.
    
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6670 is honestly quite respectable for a console.
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