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6 x 165 billion transistor CPU = 1bln transistor CPU @ 45nm/2bln @ 32nm/3.5bln @ 22nm
6 x 200 billion transistor GPU = 1.2bln transistor GPU @ 45nm/2.5bln @ 28nm/5bln @ 20nm


This assuming the CPU will be relatively the same size, which is likely not the case. If Microsoft decides to launch on 28nm, then expect something like a Pitcairn Pro(HD 7850). 20nm, then expect a castrated 8k-series 5bln transistor GPU.
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Can you explain to me why the enemy A.I went from semi-intelligent in Crysis to herp derp in Crysis 2 when it made the console jump? thinking.gif
So THAT'S where all the processing power got cut , or should i say butchered.rolleyes.gif
The lack of processing power is more telling than you think , and not just in the graphics department.

I actually think the AI was dumbed down for other reasons. I mean the Xbox 360's Xenon is a tricore cell processor clocked @ 3.2 GHz. If a mid range core2duo could run crysis 1 AI's then the XBOX's Xenon can to.
A bit of trivia the Xenon basically a slightly cut down IBM PowerPC chip and thous are used in supercomputers biggrin.gif
    
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Honestly, if they fine tune a lot of the features which DX11 packs, especially tessellation, then it's quite easy to see that console games will look fabulous. The current crop of consoles don't exactly make jaded PC gamers jaws drop, but they look fine, especially considering their long life span.
On another note: Why can't we just get over the graphics already? C'mon OCN I know you're better than that. It's about the game play.


No it isn't just about gameplay. Stop deluding yourself into thinking graphics don't matter. They both go hand in hand.

1080p is over twice the amount of pixels of 1280x720 - that alone will consume most of the extra headroom that a 6670 can give. Do you really think there will be anything left for things like tessellation or better textures?

Next gen consoles need a 6850 equivilant at the very least to produce anything respectable. If it's just going to be current gen graphics at native 1080p then there's no point in releasing another console.
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No it isn't just about gameplay. Stop deluding yourself into thinking graphics don't matter. They both go hand in hand.
1080p is over twice the amount of pixels of 1280x720 - that alone will consume most of the extra headroom that a 6670 can give. Do you really think there will be anything left for things like tessellation or better textures?
Next gen consoles need a 6850 equivilant at the very least to produce anything respectable. If it's just going to be current gen graphics at native 1080p then there's no point in releasing another console.

HD6850 TDP (127W) is too much for a console.

The question is:- Do you need 1080p on a console??

When you game on a PC you need to sit very close to the monitor (like 2-3 feets) and therefore you'll apperciate the high resolution.
Consoles are meant to be played on HDTV, therefore you'll sit at least 5 feets away, therefore you don't need much resolution.

In my situation, I have a 37" 1080p HDTV and I sit 6.5 feets away, according to the chart below I barely notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. thumb.gif

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HD6850 TDP (127W) is too much for a console.
The question is:- Do you need 1080p on a console??
When you game on a PC you need to sit very close to the monitor (like 2-3 feets) and therefore you'll apperciate the high resolution.
Consoles are meant to be played on HDTV, therefore you'll sit at least 5 feets away, therefore you don't need much resolution.
In my situation, I have a 37" 1080p HDTV and I sit 6.5 feets away, according to the chart below I barely notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. thumb.gif
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I really disagree with the chart, sitting ~20 feet away from the screen playing BF3 on a PS3, I think it still looks absolutely rubbish. I've tried going even further but why would you want such a low resolution that you need to sit 50 feet away in order to "enjoy it" anyway? I'd rather have my 23" 1920x1080 screen and sit really close to it love the picture quality. I think that resolution matters a lot more than a big part of console gamers think, I guess it's because they have never actually seen even 1920x1080 on a real 1920x1080 monitor. When I showed my cousin how BF3 looks on my computer, his jaw dropped instantly, loved to see his reaction.

Anyway looking at a 720p vs 1080p comparison video on a 720p monitor will not tell you much, as obviously you're still looking at 720p instead of 1080p. I personally hoped for the next gen consoles to be powerful and worth my money to buy, but it seems that they're going to be rubbish in my eyes and therefore I'm very disappoint :-/
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Has anyone sat back and thought to themselves that all these rumours are really just a ruse to get us all talking about and excited about the next wave of consoles? Is there any truth to these articles, I don't know, if the intention was to create a buzz, then its worked.

Also who can sit 20ft away from a screen and enjoy what they're doing, without concentrating super hard and struggling to see.

When I think about 720p, vs 1080p, vs 1440p. I consider how far away you are from the screen, and the screens actual size.

Now if you have a 40" HDTV 1080p and sit 6 feet away, you see a nice crisp image. If you sit 2 feet away from that very same 40" HDTV you can see the pixels standing out, and they're a decent size, because they have been made bigger to fit across a 40" display.

Now if you have a 22-27" Screen and sit 6 feet away, you can see a nice crisp image. If you sit 2 feet away from that same screen, you see a nice crisp image and the pixels are so fine that the image looks crisp from any distance, with the best clarity, without being stretched so you get the better image quality.

So in my eyes as a PC gamer, or someone who desires the best image clarity, then the 2nd scenario is much better overall.

But as most console gamers do game on a 40"+ tv and do sit around 4-6 feet away, I'm not sure it matters to them, because they don't see it.

They saw huge difference from ps2 to ps3 and xbox to 360 because they went from 800x600 to upscaled 1280x720/1920x1080. But these days you won't be getting a jump in resolution because the mainstream is still 720p/1080p.

PC gamers/ PC users see a difference between 720p and 1080p/1440p because of how close we sit at our PC's . But, and here's the important point, with a 40" and over HDTV you are sacrificing image quality.
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HD6850 TDP (127W) is too much for a console.
The question is:- Do you need 1080p on a console??
When you game on a PC you need to sit very close to the monitor (like 2-3 feets) and therefore you'll apperciate the high resolution.
Consoles are meant to be played on HDTV, therefore you'll sit at least 5 feets away, therefore you don't need much resolution.
In my situation, I have a 37" 1080p HDTV and I sit 6.5 feets alhway, according to the chart below I barely notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. thumb.gif
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The Xenos GPU is roughly 1950x/7800GTX speeds, and a 7800GTX consumes around 200W under heavy load. You would be a fool to think nothing will be done about power consumption, that is not really a concern here. The oldest Xbox 360 consumes about 170W in the most intensive games. Jasper barely goes above 100W, and Valhalla stays below. Again, I am not sure what your arguement is here.
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Here is a nice compression of all the rumors that are going around about the xbox 720. http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-every-rumour-about-the-new-xbox-937167
    
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Ah, cool. Wish they'd do that instead of the 6670. Going for a 7970M would be nice, but well... incredibly expensive.

IMO it's more likely as AMD used custom GPUs last time they did a console job.
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Negative. A Core 2 Duo would run circles around the XBOX 360 CPU.

Depends though, because all 360s are the same (And not just from DTM programming) developers have been using all three cores/six threads since the start, that extra core makes it beat a Core 2 Duo pretty well.
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Console development time isn't about the hardware -- that's the easy part. The hard part is making good tools, documenting the tools, developing a suitable OS, determining what kinds of software features the console should have, what kinds of "non game" apps it can run, etc.
The platform needs to last for years, so the software development platform can't be anything but good. Otherwise you end up like the PS3.

Exactly, the hardware is more important in the long term though. Look at what bad decisions in the past give us these days, such as the low RAM in the 360 and PS3.
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HD6850 TDP (127W) is too much for a console.
The question is:- Do you need 1080p on a console??
When you game on a PC you need to sit very close to the monitor (like 2-3 feets) and therefore you'll apperciate the high resolution.
Consoles are meant to be played on HDTV, therefore you'll sit at least 5 feets away, therefore you don't need much resolution.
In my situation, I have a 37" 1080p HDTV and I sit 6.5 feets away, according to the chart below I barely notice the difference between 720p and 1080p. thumb.gif
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First off, you'd likely have a custom version of it. HD6850 like, probably using GCN and 28nm at launch.
Secondly, that chart is very accurate for something that'd depend on the person more than anything..Just like how some people can see the difference between 40-60fps and others can only tell when it dips below 30.
    
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Although it's great that it's "6 times more powerful" than the previous gen, it somewhat bothers me that they blatently use it as a means to hype it up.

I expect my PC is many times more powerful than that and it's older then most systems here. Come the 720's release next year PC's will be even stronger then. Really, this is nothing to boast about.
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