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Originally Posted by RobotDevil666 View Post

Geeez you guys still beating this horse ?
Latest rumor has it MS will be releasing two versions of the next gen XBox , and like i said some 40 pages ago in this scenario 6670 makes sense for the "casual" XBox.
Check here;
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-30-microsoft-france-no-new-xbox-in-2012?
and a quote for the lazy ones wink.gif
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Eurogamer understands Microsoft plans to launch two very different versions of the next Xbox.
The first is described as a "pared down machine" to be released as cheaply as possible. It is likened to a set-top box, and will act as a Kinect-themed gaming portal.
The second is a "more fully-featured machine" with optical drive, hard disk and backwards compatibility. This would be aimed at hardcore gamers and released at a higher price-point. Kinect, Digital Foundry has heard, will be bundled with both SKUs.

Oh man, I hate to break it to you, but the "pared down machine" is something like OnLive, that will connect to a streaming service, for games and other media.

The hardware they are talking about here, this is the "high end" xbox720.
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You'd be really surprised, not only do they not have the whole DX API for overhead, there's also much less of an overhead from the OS, as well as the possibility of eDRAM, etc. Even if it only has the shader power of a HD6670 or a HD6770 and even if they had to code it with as much overhead as PCs (Much more likely, IMO) it wouldn't have the same performance as a desktop one because AMD would likely change the architecture a bit here and there, it'd have different RAM (Eg. PS3 has XDR RAM)
Mmm, I just can't see it. I understand there's significantly less overhead and slight improvements, but even a 50% improvement over what a PC could muster is a lot.
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Most of the reason that consoles run at 640p (Not 1024x600, but half 1080p) is more due to the texture hardware, there's not enough vRAM and the TMUs themselves aren't that fast so there's no real improvement going to 1080p or the like. Going to a 6670 would only give a 1.8x shader performance increase when you compare 1024x600 to 1080p, but the texture performance increase would be much more substantial which is the current bottleneck for consoles. All in all, there's not even much more shader performance needed when you look at high-end PCs, we're nearing photorealism and tessellation helps a lot here, most of what needs to be done now is getting more and larger textures.
I've heard CoD MW and M2 both run at 1024x600. Mmm, I see, thanks for the info.
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The XBox 360 was about as fast as the best single PC GPU when it released, with what was a 1 year old GPU at the time. I think they will be more conservative this time around but it they do use a 6770 it would probably run at least equivalent to a 6950 I would imagine. I still have a hard time believing they will release a console 20-22 months from now with what will then be 3 year old hardware, it would only cost them about $25-50 more for something like a 7930 or 7870 which by then will be a year a half old and the 8xxx series hardware will have been out for 6 months or so. Of course I'm just estimating release dates, but even if they release in 10 months a 6770 is weak for a console that won't be replaced until about 2018-2020.
My bad, it's a 6670. When they do release it, I'll be looking for benchmarks tongue.gif

I know, it doesn't make much sense. Although the 7970 and 7870 probably have a much higher TDP then the 6670 which is 80w or 10w higher than the previous GPU used.
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I've never seen a thread more deserving of being closed in all my time on OCN. Can I get a witness?
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I've never seen a thread more deserving of being closed in all my time on OCN. Can I get a witness?

Yep here.
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That's worse than what they did for the 360. IIRC, the 7900GT was slow back then. or whatever they used.
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the x1900 was a gaming graphics card in the high end when the 360 was released. thats the only reason it stood a chance over a 5 year period. Im sure if we turned the textures and everything on the planet to low and basically cut a PC game down to the bear minimum it could run at the same resolution as xbox 360.





I also wonder if people realize that the new consoles are going to have a much more complex operating system do to the demand for it to stream movies and access web browsing etc. THE API argument gets nullified at this point.


Cant wait to see the first console virus. Should be interesting to see how they react.
 
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The games are only rendered at 1024x600, which is 614,000 pixels, if they maintain that resolution then the graphics improvement will be quite great, however if they start supporting 1920x1080, which is nearly 2.1m pixels, that 6 times performance improvement that they claim, will drop down to 1.8 which isn't much at all.

Native resolution of the console games varies between one game and another, however most of them are 720p.

Here's a list by Beyond3d forum that has the native resolution of games on the PS3 or X360.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241
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Native resolution of the console games varies between one game and another, however most of them are 720p.
Here's a list by Beyond3d forum that has the native resolution of games on the PS3 or X360.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241
I see, thanks for the link.
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The XBox 360 was about as fast as the best single PC GPU when it released, with what was a 1 year old GPU at the time. I think they will be more conservative this time around but it they do use a 6770 it would probably run at least equivalent to a 6950 I would imagine. I still have a hard time believing they will release a console 20-22 months from now with what will then be 3 year old hardware, it would only cost them about $25-50 more for something like a 7930 or 7870 which by then will be a year a half old and the 8xxx series hardware will have been out for 6 months or so. Of course I'm just estimating release dates, but even if they release in 10 months a 6770 is weak for a console that won't be replaced until about 2018-2020.

This. If its not coming out for 20mths-ish they won't be using a 6xxx series card!
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it doesnt have to. it just has to be 6x faster than an x1900. what is that, a 4890?
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