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For those who claim 6670 is comparable to 8800GT:
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IT'S WORSE!

Its the way they implement the card. Its consoles after all so drivers will not strain this AMD card. 8800GT was againt 3870 which has 320SP and only 10% faster. If they have Something like a HD 6850 we could have a winner here.
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post #72 of 546
Something that I think people here are forgetting is that while console graphics have gotten better during the life-cycle of this generation, the resolution at which they are coded is much lower than what most PC gaming enthusiasts are using and hasn't increased since I last looked, for example MW2 was coded at I think 1024x600, then upscaled to 720p/1080p (stretched to be viewed at higher resolution displays but with lower image quality as a result, for example a 600p image stretched to 1080p over 32"-50" HDTV's).

Then there is the lack of Anti-Aliasing on the current gen hardware (although I think there have been some workarounds with shader smoothing?)

New graphics engines have allowed gradually better looking textures and other graphical features to be used on console hardware (consider forza 4's lighting system) but there are a hell of alot of optimizations in this area where some textures have been lowered just to keep things running smoothly, and can result in some horrible quality images.

I think what I have written above are some of the contributing reasons why console games still look "almost" as good as PC games on such old hardware, but there are now lots of PC games that are ridiculously better in the graphics department.

As a test play some games on PC at 1280x720, with medium graphical quality and no AA/AF, and use a 360/pc controller. You will most likely think your playing on a console.
The other fact is that most console gamers like someone else has said, don't actually care too much whether your PC is this much faster than their console, what they see on the console is what they are given and appear to be happy with that, and don't seem to pine for faster performance, more frame rates or even consider what resolution a specific game was actually coded at, they've got a HDTV and a shiny new console! woop! and it ends there it seems, any thing extra they think is a luxury like facebook and youtube being added to 360 was like **** amazing to most console gamers.

There may be more to this but I'll sit back for a bit now.

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If I had kept my 7 yr old PC back when I had a 1950XTX GPU, and just added a quad-core CPU and played at 720p resolution, with like no AA to 2xAA and no AF at medium settings

Would I still be playing all the latest games? (considering in this thread someone linked a 1950xtx playing crysis 2). YES

The other point to the whole console gfx thing is that during optimization, image quality and overall textures and other graphical effects have to be limited because of the hardware. As a result developers had to come up with innovative methods to keep improving the look of console games, which is actually positive.

What I cannot understand is, why use a GPU that will be 2 generations old by the time it is used in the new console? I would suspect this News article to be speculation and really they will be using a higher end one like the 6950/70's or 7950/70's but with lower clocks and custom made for the new console to suit costs.
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post #73 of 546
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For those who claim 6670 is comparable to 8800GT:
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IT'S WORSE!

Yea, that's why I'm skeptical about this claim. Based on past history my guess would be something like a 28nm AMD 7950, sounds high-end to some, but it's not coming out for another 22 months or so. I really get the feeling like 1080p@60 will be standard for all next-gen games, a 6670 isn't going to cut it.
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Yea, that's why I'm skeptical about this claim. Based on past history my guess would be something like a 28nm AMD 7950, sounds high-end to some, but it's not coming out for another 22 months or so.

I doubt they would go with the "young" and already forgotten VLIW4 architecture, i'm betting on something like a shrunk evergreen or barts.
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As long as it a) is highly power efficient at idle and load and b) improves upon current generation graphics I'll buy it. (Or the PS equivalent) There will always be at least one console in my gaming life.
    
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last time I checked, you can get a xbox 360 for 199

I'm sure you guys know how much a high end gaming PC costs... this isn't really comparing apples with apples.
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6670, makes me think they are going to use trinity in the next xbox. It would be nice but i doubt it.
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6670, makes me think they are going to use trinity in the next xbox. It would be nice but i doubt it.

You never know. It could be just that. Sony at least learned that $800 Consoles will not sell. As long as you can say PS4 or Next Xbox are better people will buy them. That dont have to be huge upgrade for people to upgrade as long as its a new toy to play with. Having a APU will man it will be cheap at release.
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They're not just shoving a 6670 in there dudes. The chip is going to be heavily customized just like the 360 GPU was. The 360 GPU was very forward thinking including some DX10 stuff in there right off the bat. It will be better then this article is letting on I would bet just about anything.

Don't get me wrong we're not getting a 7970 but 6850 level of hardware with better then 6970 performance once devs get the chance to program games down to the metal sounds about right to me at the end of 2013.
    
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Trinity would be a brilliant move from Microsoft in terms of hardware and cost, but wouldn't this make it more difficult for devs?
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