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BD was never designed to be a desktop chip it seems.
Just a very high throughput server CPU (which it's pretty good at).
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http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
Unless its Sandy Bridge or an extreme/server chip there isnt anything better. Im not saying its good for the price, but to say its an awful chip is just really stupid.
Are you willing to say the first gen i7s are bad as well? Because they're losing to Bulldozer in that graph. Lots of chips are "bad" aren't they?

Bulldozer is amd's latest and greatest, how is it a fair comparison to put new bulldozer VS generations old intel architecture?,

If bulldozer was released back when intel released the first gen i7's then sure bulldozer would be a fair contender. With intels sandybridge you have a cheaper atleast in the uk, a faster, more efficient cpu that produces less heat and i see no reason i can label bulldozer "good"

There's is no such thing as a "bad" cpu, They all do the job,
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For the enthusiast that knows everything about it, yes it is bad.
For the average person that does not care, they will not know the difference between their pre-built bulldozer machine and a pre-built Intel machine for 90% of the tasks they do (internet, watch movies, work in paint, documents). Only when you look into numbers in comparison to the Intel counterpart do you consider it bad. Otherwise it is just another part no one will ever look at in their computer since most of them are afraid to even open their own case.

If that was the case and 90% really did not care whether it's Bulldozer or i5, then AMD profits would be soaring.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus View Post

They might just have to resort to adding moar graphs to the task manager. Adding moar cores costs lots of money.


Maybe they should keep searching under the couch cushions in the breakroom lachen.gif

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If that was the case and 90% really did not care whether it's Bulldozer or i5, then AMD profits would be soaring.

Not necessarily. BD doesn't come with an iGPU so businesses have no use for it.

It is good for the casual gamer. Most pre-builts involving BD are targeted towards gamers so it appeals to those kids that want to game on a computer while it is also the family computer.

Actually, I'm totally making stuff up at this point. tongue.gif

BD is a mediocre chip. Bad to the enthusiast. Ok to everyone else.

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They might just have to resort to adding moar graphs to the task manager. Adding moar cores costs lots of money.

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Bulldozer didn't pay off the RD costs. They'd probably be nearly bankrupt if Llano didn't work out so well.

This.

I smell a flame war.tongue.gif
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Easy fix. Piledriver just needs moar coars (TM). Rory Read should just go on OCN for a day and realize, gamers don't want a quad that's slower than an i3.
Gamers are not the only users of computers....
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And nobody wants a slow 8-core.
...Servers do.
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A good fix would be to simply cut out the core/module funny business.
Have you done the thread telemetry analysis?
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If you can't get 2 slow cores working on 1 thread, it's pointless to split up a module.
Ahhh... no one can. By definition of a thread, it can only be processed by one core. The point of a module is resource duplication to allow more throughput with less transistors.
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Everyone would've been fine with die-shrunk Phenom II, with new instructions sets.
AMD needs to dedicate resources somewhere. Would it have been wise to dedicate additional resources to K10.5? In the short-term, it might have boosted sales... but this would be at the expense of long-term.
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BD is a mediocre chip. Bad to the enthusiast. Ok to everyone else.

enthusiasts are probably less than 5% of the market. So if BD is ok for everyone else why aren't people buying. The truth of the matter is that AMD can't really compete with intel at this point, especially in the old school cpu segment. If it weren't for the ATI acquisition AMD might not be relevant as a company today

I was told by someone very high up in intel a few years ago, 2007-2008ish, that their only threat is from ARM, and the only reason intel isn't killing off AMD is because of monopoly issues.
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BD has it's place. That's a fact. But, not in my rig or budget.
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