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I would argue that if you care about smooth gameplay, you need to know more about overall smoothness than the single lowest frame rate seen, as this may not be at all representative of anything but a split second, one-time, stutter.

Overall smoothness includes the lowest frame rate seen. Smooth = stutter free.
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GPU Limitied....ya that 1100T in there sure looks like it is GPU limited
That is practically a 20 fps difference right there

In minimum frame rate, which in and of itself, says nothing.

Again, frame times or a graph would be needed to see how often it comes close to that minimum.
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Overall smoothness includes the lowest frame rate seen. Smooth = stutter free.

If a stutter occurs during level loading, or saving, or some similar situation where interaction is limited, it may well be irrelevant or even imperceptible.

You can have stuttering with a high minimum frame rate, if frame times are inconsistent.

You have a smoother experience with a lower minimum frame rate if more time is spent at low and consistent frame times.

A graph that shows nothing but the minimum and average fps achieved during an entire benchmark run says nothing about the overall smoothness of the run.
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In minimum frame rate, which in and of itself, says nothing.
Again, frame times or a graph would be needed to see how often it comes close to that minimum.
If a stutter occurs during level loading, or saving, or some similar situation where interaction is limited, it may well be irrelevant or even imperceptible.
You can have stuttering with a high minimum frame rate, if frame times are inconsistent.
You have a smoother experience with a lower minimum frame rate if more time is spent at low and consistent frame times.
A graph that shows nothing but the minimum and average fps achieved during an entire benchmark run says nothing about the overall smoothness of the run.

I see what you're saying but I don't think anyone would bench fps while a game is loading. I have yet to see a game go into a stutter just from an auto save. Thought those days were long gone with current hardware. Also timing should be irrelevant with single gpu. Isn't there a separate benchmark tool for Crysis 2? I can't imagine it recording fps while loading. But at the same time that would be pretty pathetic for a 2500k to lose that much fps just from an auto save.
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After some digging around,

Intel compilers have been a non-issue since the Nov 2009 settlement.

download.intel.com/pressroom/legal/AMD_settlement_agreement.pdf
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2.3 TECHNICAL PRACTICES

Intel shall not include any Artificial Performance Impairment in any Intel product or require any Third Party to include an Artificial Performance Impairment in the Third Party’s product. As used in this Section 2.3, “Artificial Performance Impairment” means an affirmative engineering or design action by Intel (but not a failure to act) that (i) degrades the performance or operation of a Specified AMD product, (ii) is not a consequence of an Intel Product Benefit and (iii) is made intentionally to degrade the performance or operation of a Specified AMD Product. For purposes of this Section 2.3, “Product Benefit” shall mean any benefit, advantage, or improvement in terms of performance, operation, price, cost, manufacturability, reliability, compatibility, or ability to operate or enhance the operation of another product.

In no circumstances shall this Section 2.3 impose or be construed to impose any obligation on Intel to (i) take any act that would provide a Product Benefit to any AMD or other non-Intel product, either when such AMD or non-Intel product is used alone or in combination with any other product, (ii) optimize any products for Specified AMD Products, or (iii) provide any technical information, documents, or know how to AMD.

Since then Intel has released it's compilers required by the settlement. And disclose any advantages Intel compilers have had for Intel CPUs before the Nov 2009 settlement.

Alternatives exist and have been available for years. GCC is the default compiler for development on Linux and OS X, and development on Windows is often often done with MS Visual C++. There is no reason to use an Intel compiler unless you are developing for an Intel only platforms. Intel compilers are not very popular at all.
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http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49

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Also, it must publish clearly that its compiler discriminates against non-Intel processors (such as AMD's designs), not fully utilizing their features and producing inferior code.

http://www.dailytech.com/FTC+Intel+Reach+Settlement+Intel+Banned+From+Anticompetitive+Practices/article19265.htm
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450

70 to 80% of all CPUs are Intel....
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Intel C++ Compiler

Please note that on Windows platform, Intel C/C++ compiler requires Microsoft Visual C++ to be present in your system in order to function properly. It will not compile any C++ program without it.

You need VS anyway and with ICC in the back end check out the performance^
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AMD and other non-Intel 32-bit processors will generally use the w7 optimization (SSE2). AMD and other non-Intel 64-bit processor will generally use the m7 optimization (SSE3). The remaining optimizations will run only on Intel or fully compatible processors, but only if the processor supports the SIMD instructions required by those optimizations.

450

http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-ipp
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on compatible, non-Intel processors, this corresponds to the most suitable of the /arch (-m) options IA32, SSE2 or SSE3.

http://www.compilerreimbursementprogram.com/
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Which Intel Compilers and Associated Libraries are subject to the Compiler Reimbursement Program?
  • Intel Fortran Compiler for Linux
  • Intel Fortran Compiler for Windows
  • Intel C++ Compiler for Linux
  • Intel C++ Compiler for Windows
  • Intel C++ Compiler for Mac OS X
  • Intel® Compiler Suite Professional Edition for Windows
  • Intel® Compiler Suite Professional Edition for Linux
  • Intel® C++ Compiler Professional Edition for Windows
  • Intel® Visual Fortran Compiler Professional Edition for Windows
  • Intel® Visual Fortran Compiler Professional Edition for Windows with IMSL
  • Intel® C++ Compiler Professional Edition for Linux
  • Intel® Fortran Compiler Professional Edition for Linux
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  • Intel® Fortran Compiler Professional Edition for Mac OS X
  • Intel® C++ Compiler Professional Edition for QNX Neutrino RTOS
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  • Intel runtime libraries
  • Intel® Integrated Performance Primitives (Intel® IPP) for Windows
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  • Intel® Math Kernel Library (Intel MKL) for Linux
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  • Intel MPI Library for Windows

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post #46 of 61
Some more FX8150 benchmarks with the patch in place:

http://ht4u.net/news/24987_neue_patches_soll_bulldozer_unter_windows_7_nun_endlich_beschleunigen_-_ergebnisse_sind_durchw/

The website is meant to be one of the better known German ones.
post #47 of 61
last i checked only microsoft compiler was fma4 ready ,whatever intel does is still gona be fma2 at best for forseeable futur and fma3 later at this end of the year!i am all for comparing but come on,the whole web knows that the 8150 is made WITH FMA4 .no fma4 means dont touch the 8150
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any could supply a link with benchmark of 8150 new various patch and fma4 ,cant seem to find any test!ty!
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This is the AMD CPU board not brag about my Intel CPU board that costs a bazillion more dollars for the same performance

Just so you know, Intel prices aren't THAT high anymore thumb.gif
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post #50 of 61
after reading the review, with or without the patch bulldozer sucks in games. esp less threaded ones like skyrim and starcraft II
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This is the AMD CPU board not brag about my Intel CPU board that costs a bazillion more dollars for the same performance

uhmm an i5 2500k is cheaper than a FX8150 but far more superior
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