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Saw this coming months ago. I've since completely ditched google calendars. Switched all default search engines to Bing. Completely closed Google+ and Buzz. And began transitioning away from gmail, an account I've had for like seven years. Such a disappointment.

Further into the turtle shell you go. Maybe you should buy that log cabin you saw in the woods last weekend.

I'm against this as much as you, but that's the Internet today. Monitoring software for big brother.
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That article is completely retarded, and does not list a single reason why they are calling Google's new privacy policy "evil". In fact, it does not provide any information on anything.
Gizmodo is horribly blatantly biased against Google in this article for, literally, no listed reason.

This is so funny, yeah Google is now going to use one greatly shortened privacy statement instead of 12 conflicting ones?

What would you think it another company did this? Maybe track phone locations, browser usage to better help your web searches. Tying your different IP addresses into a single profile. how about linking your calendar/mail/information across a cloud service (where it could be hacked)? -
Apple - iCloud?
Microsoft - Windows Live ID?
Facebook - All of Facebook

Honestly this is overall a better move by Google making sure people know that information can be shared across the google application family (Which it could be under the old privacy statements) and streamlining it into a much easier to read policy that clearly states that the information cannot be shared outside of Google. This is something missing in the Facebook, Microsoft and Apple Privacy statements (each one having it's own legal loophole through multiple overlapping privacy statements) I expect to see a similar move from Apple and Microsoft in the next few years. Facebook is designed to collect as much information about you for resale as possible, so i doubt they will go this direction
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NO WAY! You're using your a pic of yourself to declare a statement? biggrin.gif
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No the risk is still there, if your account is compromised ALL your google services have been, and with their ever growing list of services/features that could potentially be devastating. And I HIGHLY doubt google has NEVER been hacked. I'm sure it happens all the time, now we probably just don't hear about it because image the PR issues that would cause, Google could easily suppress that kind of info either by manipulating search results or just by bribes.
I'm not saying GOOGLE itself specifically will use your personal information, but they employ thousands, which may decide they want to be malicious. I mean real people work for this company so that issue is always there. And Google does already sell your info, so in a way they are identity thieves as I didn't consent to the data that was collected on every occasion.

That's the case for ANY service that prompts you for your info. Anytime your credit card number is processed online for an amazon transaction. Anytime you use online banking. Anytime you pay your bills online. Anytime you use your personal email address to verify some financial account. Anytime you purchase a game on Steam (or Origin, or what have you). Anytime you used the (old) PSN (which, let's face it, had some major issues with security).

All of these things have your name tied to some sort of info--whether it's google or someone else. Google's track record for security is impeccable. I find it so laughable that people will hem and haw about google trolling their browsing habits, or their calendar use, or their g+ entries, or their google books purchases, with the goal to be a better knowledge base to have more-specified targeted ads. Yet people hardly think twice about handing their social security and bank account number to some credit card application, or to their personal bank, or to any e-retailer they frequent. I'm more worried about the integrity of the info my bank has on me than whatever userstats google might have on me.

Regardless this does not change any of the info google is gathering from you currently or has gathered from you in the past.
    
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That's the case for ANY service that prompts you for your info. Anytime your credit card number is processed online for an amazon transaction. Anytime you use online banking. Anytime you pay your bills online. Anytime you use your personal email address to verify some financial account. Anytime you purchase a game on Steam (or Origin, or what have you). Anytime you used the (old) PSN (which, let's face it, had some major issues with security).
All of these things have your name tied to some sort of info--whether it's google or someone else. Google's track record for security is impeccable. I find it so laughable that people will hem and haw about google trolling their browsing habits, or their calendar use, or their g+ entries, or their google books purchases, with the goal to be a better knowledge base to have more-specified targeted ads. Yet people hardly think twice about handing their social security and bank account number to some credit card application, or to their personal bank, or to any e-retailer they frequent. I'm more worried about the integrity of the info my bank has on me than whatever userstats google might have on me.
Regardless this does not change any of the info google is gathering from you currently or has gathered from you in the past.

I wish I could GOOGLE+ this post, as well as Buzz it. Oh, and if you're okay, may I blog this post as well? wink.gif (Just harmless poking fun in KusH's direction). biggrin.gif
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It's amazing how few people actually don't realize how Google operates and think this is something new.
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To those who don't understand the negative effects of implications like this they're as follows:
1. One account get compromised so does everything else.
2. Google actually DOES want to know what you do on EVERY aspect of your life. They have reasons for amassing this kind of data.
3. "targeting ads to your needs" basically tracking everything you search for and forming a profile for "you" however anyone that uses a machine that has your account logged in can obviously skew these profiles, and could potentially make you look like either a criminal or a pedophile or something else not desirable.
4. Google sells that data to 3rd party companies (think directed ads) who knows what information is being sold to these companies. This IS NOT a Google internal use only deal.
Now this isn't completely a bad thing because obviously there are some positives to having this done, and I don't care to mention them as I don't believe they outweigh the bad.
Oh and the mindset of "Well they already track me it's no big deal," that mentality is what got us to this place to begin with. The Nazi's didn't take over Germany in 1 night, it was a gradual process, so the general public would except their own tyranny.

1. This is ALREADY true as its all already tied to 1 account (generally your email)

2. And they already DO know all this information.

3. This is nothing new. They already tracked your email and your searches, the ads in your email havent reflected search preferences before. Now they do.

4. Google does not sell the data to 3rd party companies, they're famous for NOT dealing in this information and has been a point of contention for many advertisers as they don't actually see the raw data of who is being marketed or targeted by what. They simply get information saying "You wanted to advertise this, said you wanted it to be tied with these reference criteria. We implemented this data and some of our own magic and as a result heres the amount of click throughs and money you get".

This is an improvement, not a step back. This is evident in that people finally are starting to understand what Google has ALWAYS DONE; it adds a level of transparency and simplifies the overall scheme. 1 Privacy Policy to rule them all > 60 privacy policies for each individual little thing.

Was there any where in my post mentioning this is something that just started? No. I've known about this for many of years because it's been going on for years.
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No the risk is still there, if your account is compromised ALL your google services have been, and with their ever growing list of services/features that could potentially be devastating. And I HIGHLY doubt google has NEVER been hacked. I'm sure it happens all the time, now we probably just don't hear about it because image the PR issues that would cause, Google could easily suppress that kind of info either by manipulating search results or just by bribes.
I'm not saying GOOGLE itself specifically will use your personal information, but they employ thousands, which may decide they want to be malicious. I mean real people work for this company so that issue is always there. And Google does already sell your info, so in a way they are identity thieves as I didn't consent to the data that was collected on every occasion.

That's the case for ANY service that prompts you for your info. Anytime your credit card number is processed online for an amazon transaction. Anytime you use online banking. Anytime you pay your bills online. Anytime you use your personal email address to verify some financial account. Anytime you purchase a game on Steam (or Origin, or what have you). Anytime you used the (old) PSN (which, let's face it, had some major issues with security).

All of these things have your name tied to some sort of info--whether it's google or someone else. Google's track record for security is impeccable. I find it so laughable that people will hem and haw about google trolling their browsing habits, or their calendar use, or their g+ entries, or their google books purchases, with the goal to be a better knowledge base to have more-specified targeted ads. Yet people hardly think twice about handing their social security and bank account number to some credit card application, or to their personal bank, or to any e-retailer they frequent. I'm more worried about the integrity of the info my bank has on me than whatever userstats google might have on me.

Regardless this does not change any of the info google is gathering from you currently or has gathered from you in the past.

You must have overlooked the point I made about with my consent, I've consented to use e-tailers and under my own will consented to using their services/goods.

I guess I just value my privacy a bit more than others as I can see the absolute necessity to have it.

You guys can have your googles, I'll keep my privacy.
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Was there any where in my post mentioning this is something that just started? No. I've known about this for many of years because it's been going on for years.
You must have overlooked the point I made about with my consent, I've consented to use e-tailers and under my own will consented to using their services/goods.
I guess I just value my privacy a bit more than others as I can see the absolute necessity to have it.
You guys can have your googles, I'll keep my privacy.

Google Goggles? Great app by the way.

To be honest, on the subject of privacy, I agree with you. We need more privacy in our lives in a time where privacy is becoming less and less important. But in this case, it's just Google sharing infos they already have with their other products. Now, if they sold said infos, without my consent (if they asked my consent and gave me a share of the $$$ then maybe...), then yes, it's a violation of privacy.

OT: I love Systems Engineering btw. smile.gif
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You must have overlooked the point I made about with my consent, I've consented to use e-tailers and under my own will consented to using their services/goods.
I guess I just value my privacy a bit more than others as I can see the absolute necessity to have it.
You guys can have your googles, I'll keep my privacy.

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That's total CRAP. I shouldn't have to go out of my way to "OPT-OUT" that should be what it is BY DEFAULT. Only those that choose to should do so, not "contribute until you find out that you can opt-out but cannot find any information about opting out on their own website."
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