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The only thing about it is the breach of privacy to look into it. The idea that they can arbitrarily say "we want all your records forever on everything. any wrongful actions will then be persecuted" isn't allowed in America today. They need a warrant to access that (except in some cases of national security - this was the whole stink with the vaguery of the Patriot Act in its first iteration). Could that change? In a New York minute. But, as it stands now, no. That's not acceptable.

AS for IP logging, I hate to say it, but it's already done. ISPs I think are required (I don't have the source available) to keep your IP activity for a year, and I believe most have agreed to keep them for 2 years as a courtesy to law enforcement. The EXACT SPECIFICS on the circumstances under which authorities can look at that, I'm not sure. But I don't think it's a "I don't like that guy, let's check him out" sort of thing. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Still though, this profit model does make it easier, and it's just one additional layer. More importantly, this type of streamlining, and the inevitable evolution that will be advanced cloud services (in the 10-20 year range), coupled with the type of disdain for the issue that a lot of people have, makes for a scary situation where there isn't the proper oversight of the issue.
 
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Its funny to see the people freaked out and saying they are closing their accounts as if they are someone important and anyone actually cares what they do. Too funny.
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Its funny to see the people freaked out and saying they are closing their accounts as if they are someone important and anyone actually cares what they do. Too funny.

For you to not consider yourself important is not only sad, but it's pathetic.
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What I gathered that I'm not particularly pleased about is this:

If you are using google to search for something they identify your IP address (so what) AND keep track of everything you search for and every link you follow within the actual search. This information is stored by google and may be used or distributed by google to authorities if you are presumed to be doing something that violates applicable laws.

This in itself isn't too troubling...Just behave lawfully. But with things like, well lets just call it COPA (a purely fictional piece of legislation that is not intended to resemble any real legislation which we are encouraged not to discuss) The fictional implications frighten me a bit.

There is every possibility that I'm misunderstanding the whole thing...in that case I encourage you to make fun of me and show as many reasons as you can why you are right and I am wrong. thumb.gif

ISP's generally already track all of that, and authorities would just go to them.

For people closing down their Google services, I don't think the alternatives are going to be a whole lot different or better. Pretty near all large corps that have any major stake in marketing or the internet will have some sort of information tracking. Facebook for example is probably many times worse than this policy change of Google's will turn out to be. Besides, Google seems to be a pretty responsible company so they should have the best safeguards in place for your data. They already mine and hold this information, it's just going to change a bit linking all of the G services together.

There is really almost no point in trying to be "private" online, if you have a listed phone number, a lot of your PID will be available online, even if you have never been online. It comes down to only distributing your PID to "trusted" sources, which everyone has to determine for themselves.
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lol i love how the OP has an apple icon for his avatar with the windows logo in it. like an apple fanbois opinion makes me think twice about anything lol

like so many others who have posted. what is the problem? just means it will be easier to use their services.....
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The only thing about it is the breach of privacy to look into it. The idea that they can arbitrarily say "we want all your records forever on everything. any wrongful actions will then be persecuted" isn't allowed in America today. They need a warrant to access that (except in some cases of national security - this was the whole stink with the vaguery of the Patriot Act in its first iteration). Could that change? In a New York minute. But, as it stands now, no. That's not acceptable.
AS for IP logging, I hate to say it, but it's already done. ISPs I think are required (I don't have the source available) to keep your IP activity for a year, and I believe most have agreed to keep them for 2 years as a courtesy to law enforcement. The EXACT SPECIFICS on the circumstances under which authorities can look at that, I'm not sure. But I don't think it's a "I don't like that guy, let's check him out" sort of thing. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Still though, this profit model does make it easier, and it's just one additional layer. More importantly, this type of streamlining, and the inevitable evolution that will be advanced cloud services (in the 10-20 year range), coupled with the type of disdain for the issue that a lot of people have, makes for a scary situation where there isn't the proper oversight of the issue.

I work for an ISP, i can track everything in your activity, the amount you download at specific time of day, what you used to download something with, what you downloaded, where you downloaded it from and how long it took you to download it.

The idea that your ISP isn't or can't track your usage is absurd. We all do it, we just don't have to inform you about it.
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But you're also not allowed to just go and look at it all, right? Or call me up at 3 A.M. to talk to me about the show I watched last night. Or better yet, to see that I'm looking up mortuary services for my newly deceased relative, and decide it would be in good taste to offer me advertisements on deals on coffins (sort of a worst case scenario).
 
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There is no downside to this except that hackers could access lots of data from one source. That being said. What do you think is easier to defend? One super fortified castle. Or many castles.
I'm pretty sure that the new policy doesn't change anything in terms of data storage, just how much of it other services/ad systems can access. Also you couldn't take it all in one go. The info is stored in such a way that even if you took a whole server down you would onky have random encrypted chunks of data.
It's kinda like if each users data (from all services) was like a bunch of papers. Those papers are shreded, scattered around the world and encoded (?) In some random place (different for each user) there's encoded reference that says where the shredded chunks are and how to put them back together. Finding a stash if different users shreded papers doesn't give a hacker any info at all. The hacker has to find the users key reference thing stored in some random part of the world and decrypt it to get info on one user.

In short: Nothing's changing, you still have to take down a bunch of servers around the world to find one users info.
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But you're also not allowed to just go and look at it all, right? Or call me up at 3 A.M. to talk to me about the show I watched last night. Or better yet, to see that I'm looking up mortuary services for my newly deceased relative, and decide it would be in good taste to offer me advertisements on deals on coffins (sort of a worst case scenario).

no we are, we can look up your data at anytime. If we contacted you about it though wouldn't you be upset? i imagine someday ISP's my try that as a way of revenue but for now they wouldn't risk it because of the backlash.
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I like Google as a company for what they do and what they represent. They are one of the most up front companies that I have seen.

I read though all of the TOS and the other agreements just to fully understand this issue and all it seems is that while you are logged into your account, your searches and queries will just be shared across the one account (like Youtube and Google Plus) so they can better direct ads to display for you.

They explicitly state multiple times they are not selling your data to 3rd parties and nor will they do anything with your personal data (names, telephone number etc).

I honestly cannot find anything "evil" from this. All they want to do is to have a easily way to present their ads while making it easier for the users to understand the terms of service.

Besides I use ad-block so I never see the ads XD
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