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He asked for the build to have a watercooled 3GHz Quad and 8GB of memory. This is what I came up with after looking at manf. compatibility recommendations and that's close in scope to what the purchaser wants, minus a case because he says he is going to pick that after he makes the parts decision. He currently is using an 'EVGA GTX460 1GB SC'(164watts @ max load). He's says he wants a new SATAIII drive and enough wattage to run a GTX570(220watts @ full load). I've advised him to get a smaller, less costly HDD, and use his older 500GB SATAIII drive for games, media and programs. He knows HDD drives went up and does not want to spend more than $100 for a new HDD. I've also told him that with his GPU he will have to be buying a mATX case, as it's highly unlikely a mITX case will not accommodate a GTX570.

CORSAIR H80 $94.99
Llano 3GHz APU A8-3870 $144
ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe $139
G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR2 $49.99
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 $84.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-650HX 650W $119.99
$633 Before case and fans

CORSAIR H80 $94.99
Sandy Bridge 3GHz i5-2320 $189
ASRock Z68M-ITX/HT $119.99
KingstonHyperX KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX $44.99, or, G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR2 $49.99
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 $84.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-650HX 650W $119.99
$654/$659 Before case and fans

That's roughly a $25 dollar difference, & IIRC, the i5-2320 was getting better graphics scores on a single GPU setup. The A8-3870 gets better scores on a crossfire setup, but that's using AMD/ATI GPU's, and the client wants to continue using Nvidia GPU's!

i5-2320 & A8-3850[cpubenchmark.net]

-Suggestions and input are being sought!-
post #2 of 20
there is no reason why a 570gtx wont fit in an ITX case. SG07/SG08 will both take that card with room to spare.
there is very little reason to go liquid in an ITX. none of the current generation ITX boards can overclock very well.

i recommend you take a look at this build log for what is possible in an ITX build.
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I disagree Psyclum. I really recommend going with a H60 or Antec 620 system because of the small space, you can get great cooling out of them. The cases dont allow for great air flow, and these are the best way to do it.

I had a 6950, SSD, 1tb drive, and an i5 in an SG05.... thing was a BEAST!
post #4 of 20
well, SG05 doesn't have that huge AP181 cooling it:p

there really isn't much a AXP140 + AP181 can't cool down:D

remember that AP181 is rated for 130CFM with decent static pressure
post #5 of 20
I use an H80 with my A8-3850 and I love the temps on it.

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Nothing wrong with using an H80/60/50/70/Antec cooler on a mITX. In fact it is preferred since you can get much better temps without worrying about size.
     
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I have a 7970 in a Mini-ITX case with "real" watercooling. I recommend the Lian-Li Q08.

and +1 on Intel especially since z68 should be Ivy Bridge capable
    
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well the difference is between can vs need. CAN you put water in ITX? yes. do you NEED water in ITX? not really. unless you want some really low temps for personal reasons. most people forget hardware don't NEED to be below 60C while you stress test it... the fact that ITX boards are notoriously bad at OCing renders liquid cooling a aesthetic choice rather then a need. even IF you OC, the AXP140 is no slouch and neither is the AP181.

that's all i'm saying
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^ Well said. Although I do water for the noise level decrease over air coolers of similar cooling capacity. A 570 will be the bottleneck with any quad core SB chip even at stock clocks
    
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is a 2500k (can be found for 179.99 fi you look) out of the question. You can get mild overclocks out of that board. 4.0-4.4 I believe, don't quote me on that though. The sugo sg07 would be a nice case especially since for 120$ you get a 450watt psu with it.

Something to consider as well, is that the 7870/50 are coming and are to be >= the 6970/50 respectively on a smaller fab. Possibly smaller board, along with power requirements. You said he is dead set on nvidia, but maybe show him the option. If not you are looking at a 560ti for his build either the smaller 448 core cards or the older 384 core card.

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for your application(OC the crap out of that 7970:D) i can definitely see justification for liquid. however accomplish your task, you are looking at extensive modding to fit a 240 rad into a ITX case anyway since a 120 rad is kinda anemic for your purpose:D

as for the noise factor, I can see that being a crutch of the ITX when using such a powerful GPU, but it's one of the things you give up when you go THAT small and portable:D
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