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Originally Posted by Gnomepatrol View Post

is a 2500k (can be found for 179.99 fi you look) out of the question. You can get mild overclocks out of that board. 4.0-4.4 I believe, don't quote me on that though. The sugo sg07 would be a nice case especially since for 120$ you get a 450watt psu with it.
Something to consider as well, is that the 7870/50 are coming and are to be >= the 6970/50 respectively on a smaller fab. Possibly smaller board, along with power requirements. You said he is dead set on nvidia, but maybe show him the option. If not you are looking at a 560ti for his build either the smaller 448 core cards or the older 384 core card.
Just some thoughts

unfortunately ITX board is really bad at OCing. so even 4ghz is considered alot for ITX. not a limitation of cooling, but power system on the board itself.

SG07 comes with a 600w PSU and cost around $200. unless there is a cheaper model with the 450w psu that i'm not aware of. do you have a link?

i don't think there is a confirmed release date for the 78x0 cards. it can be a much longer wait then you think. i'm still waiting for the 7950 personally.
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Originally Posted by psyclum 
there is no reason why a 570gtx wont fit in an ITX case. SG07/SG08 will both take that card with room to spare.

none of the current generation ITX boards can overclock very well.
I don't think my friend is going to overclock. I'm not going to pressure him to either.
Though, I am going to make the volts stable and not set on "auto".
This is going to be my first mITX build, so information like this is great. Thank you!
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Originally Posted by Derek1387 
I really recommend going with a H60 or Antec 620 system because of the small space
I'll look into the measurements of the H60. I can't rely on Antec anymore due to a PSU warranty issue.
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Originally Posted by armourcore9brker 
I use an H80 with my A8-3850 and I love the temps on it.
... you can get much better temps without worrying about size.
Friend wants less noise and cooler temps then sinks provide with high RPM fans.
How is it you have a minimum average core temp of 55f across all cores?

As far as cases go, he mentioned the Lian Li T7, even though he talked about mobility.
I might recommend the SG07B, SST-SG08B, LIAN LI PC-TU200B(looks like it will fit a H80), Bitfenix - Survivor or something else.
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Originally Posted by Gnomepatrol View Post

is a 2500k (can be found for 179.99 fi you look) out of the question. You can get mild overclocks out of that board. 4.0-4.4 I believe, don't quote me on that though. The sugo sg07 would be a nice case especially since for 120$ you get a 450watt psu with it.
Something to consider as well, is that the 7870/50 are coming and are to be >= the 6970/50 respectively on a smaller fab. Possibly smaller board, along with power requirements. You said he is dead set on nvidia, but maybe show him the option. If not you are looking at a 560ti for his build either the smaller 448 core cards or the older 384 core card.
Just some thoughts

In the interest of saving you money, you should show your friend the EVGA GTX 560 Ti 448 Classified. ~$40 cheaper than a reference 570 and the only difference is that this card is +/- a single FPS vs a 570!

Proof

Plus, since this is an EVGA Classified card, it overclocks really well.

Proof

Then take that extra $50 you saved and put it into a better CPU (2500K perhaps?) and maybe some Ben & Jerrry's to celebrate a job well done!
Edited by boateye - 1/26/12 at 2:16am
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unfortunately ITX board is really bad at OCing. so even 4ghz is considered alot for ITX. not a limitation of cooling, but power system on the board itself.
SG07 comes with a 600w PSU and cost around $200. unless there is a cheaper model with the 450w psu that i'm not aware of. do you have a link?
i don't think there is a confirmed release date for the 78x0 cards. it can be a much longer wait then you think. i'm still waiting for the 7950 personally.

Oops I meant the sg05

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163171

and that board can pull 4.0ghz so why not? biggrin.gif
http://cdn5.tweaktown.com/content/4/3/4304_01_asrock_z68m_itx_ht_intel_z68_motherboard_review_full.png
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Oops I meant the sg05

yah different case. the SG07 is the bigger brother to the SG05. at the cost of a larger case, you get a 600w PSU AND a AP181 blowing directly down at the CPU and the GPU. the AP181 is a 130CFM(@1200 rpm so it's not insanely loud) rated fan that is less then 3 inchs away from any/all components that requires any kind of cooling within the SG07 case.

SG05 is a good case if you are looking for a REALLY small case, but the SG07 is a small case what can keep a real BEAST underneath:) depending on your application i suppose. the SG05 would make a much better HTPC for it's smaller size, while SG07 is a full on gamer rig(2600k + 7970) that is smaller then your typical toaster oven.
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A few quick thoughts...

A dual core Core i3 will out perform a Llano APU in games, if both are using discrete graphics. If not using the integrated graphics, I can't see why anyone would want a Llano over a dual core socket 1155. 1155 also gives an upgrade path to Sandy Bridge and soon (April?) Ivy Bridge quads, which no Llano has any sliver of hope in keeping up with.

Socket 1155 CPUs run nice and cool, and draws little power.

Zero "need" for liquid cooing the CPU for these reasons.
1) Temperatures of socket 1155 ITX are not high enough to warrant anything past the stock cooler.*
2) Noise level of graphics card will be noisier than the stock CPU cooler (enable fan profile in BIOS).
Don't be fooling yourselves. Liquid cooing in an ITX is purely an e-peen move. There is no business case for it. Even if it is decided that the stock cooler will not be used (some people have allergic reactions to them apparently) get something like a Scythe Big Shuriken. Super quiet, plus much better cooling all in a super low profile shape for half the cost of a liquid cooler.

Silverstone SG07 and SG08 can run a GTX 570 and is ITX. It also comes with a decent PSU.

Lian Li PC-Q11, PC-Q25 and PC-Q08 can all run a GTX 570. You'll have to source a PSU of course. That Corsair 650W is nice, but around 150W more than needed. Also, may be too long.

*When I say temperatures are not high enough, it is because many people erroneously think that a CPU melts like the Wicked Witch of the West above 60°C or so. Well, an AMD CPU might tongue.gif but Intel CPUs at stock speeds can operate just fine at much higher temperatures. In fact, I think Tjunction for Sandy Bridge CPUs is somewhere around 92°C, and most motherboards won't even throttle the CPU until 85°C (except for some ASRock boards for some reason). Also, torture testing the CPU is unrealistic, unless you actually expect to load the CPU to 100% for long durations as part of your normal computing experience such as Folding or other DC using CPU, or video transcoding. Gaming will not get your CPU as hot.
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yah asrock thermal throttle at around 74-75C. confirmed this while running prime95 on passive cooling:D must mean i need a bigger heatsink then a scythe mugen:D
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I have a 7970 in a Mini-ITX case with "real" watercooling. I recommend the Lian-Li Q08.

I have the Lain Li pCQ-08 for 2 days now with an Antech Kuhler 620 and a GTX460...with a 4.4Ghz OC on my first gen dual core i5 i primed for 24hrs with temps at 60* C rock solid. I love this case!!!
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yah asrock thermal throttle at around 74-75C. confirmed this while running prime95 on passive cooling:D must mean i need a bigger heatsink then a scythe mugen:D

Some evidence suggests that some ASRock boards throttle due to the VRMs, not the CPU temperature.
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I have the Lain Li pCQ-08 for 2 days now with an Antech Kuhler 620 and a GTX460...with a 4.4Ghz OC on my first gen dual core i5 i primed for 24hrs with temps at 60* C rock solid. I love this case!!!

Ah yes, socket 1156 ITX boards did okay with overclocking dual core CPUs.
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The real question is, do you live near a Micro Center?
    
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