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I'm sorry, but these stories piss me off. Foxconn employs a million people and produces products for 100s of companies. Foxconn does not equal Apple, Foxconn is not Apple's company.

Maybe we should be mad at Foxconn, or the Chinese government which has done nothing to penalize Foxconn for how they operate. mad.gif
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post #42 of 72
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Originally Posted by b3machi7ke View Post

Source #1
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Good thing Nokia doesn't have any manufacturing facilities in China eh?? rolleyes.gif
holy **** batman, nokia is on that list as well!!
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Yup http://www.dongguantoday.com/subject/enmedia2009/newsc.asp?id=18 .
At least that place looks decent like the city itself .

On topic : I really do not like apple products because of their price . And now that i see what they do to their workers . Oh my .
This is just wrong .
They made a billion in a week . Their 600$ iphone is like 100$ to make , 50 to ship , 50$ to advertise , and 400$ premium .
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EDIT : Okay . So i'm just mad at apple because of their pricing .

And mad at foxconn for treating people bad , and for not paying them properly .
Edited by Darkslayer7 - 1/26/12 at 7:14am
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post #43 of 72
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I'm sorry, but these stories piss me off. Foxconn employs a million people and produces products for 100s of companies. Foxconn does not equal Apple, Foxconn is not Apple's company.

Maybe we should be mad at Foxconn, or the Chinese government which has done nothing to penalize Foxconn for how they operate. mad.gif

Where do you think fast economic change comes from? Money. And Apple has the money. Apple is more-or-less the spokesperson for its consumers, so I suppose at the moment the hear no evil see no evil mentality mirrors the consumer ethos.
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. The only reason Apple gets the headline is because it's the biggest electronics company on the planet


Man you are so wrong, just lol.
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post #45 of 72
lol! Ifind your arguments with Forun Viewer amusing , and your efforts futile.
He's Apple's caped crusader , undefeated champion , day or night rain or shine Foum Viewer is there to deffend Apple , you stand no chance against his mighty Apple bias , some even say Steve Jobs trained him personally. wink.gif
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I am tired of all these useless comments,can somone say somthing that contributes to this thread? a solution perhaps?
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post #47 of 72
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I am tired of all these useless comments,can somone say somthing that contributes to this thread? a solution perhaps?

There really is no solution, especially not in this forum. You mainly have Apple haters and Apple defenders. No matter what Apple does it will never be good enough for some people, and for others they would view it as "selling out". Really these threads just allow people to yell over the internet and flash their bias one way or the other.

Now, in my personal opinion, I don't think Apple really has much of a say or influence over this decision. Look at the all the reports, people would kill to have a job working for Foxconn over there. The conditions might not be great and the pay might suck, but because it's a job these people are willing to do whatever it takes to get and maintain that job. It's really just how China is structured and the fact they don't have near enough jobs for all the people over there. Apple can't influence any of that. Yeah, idealistically they could give China/Foxconn an ultimatum, but in the end that would royally screw over Apple. No other country in the world has the manpower Chinese factories have, and the cost of finding new manufacturers like Foxconn are astronomical. If they were even remotely successful at finding someone else outside of Foxconn/China, they would almost certainly charge more, and then Apple's prices go up and even more anti-Apple people ***** and moan because Apple's prices are too high.

So really, no matter what happens, Apple will continue to face the wrath of haters because they have some PC elitist viewpoint of how inferior Apple products are. Apple will also have its fair share of fanboys who refuse to knock Apple for anything declaring them above reproach. It'd be cool to put all Apple news in one thread and let everyone duke it out there, don't think the mods will do that unfortunately frown.gif

::edit:: Looking at the post below mine, are you really foolish or naive enough to believe Apple is the only one at fault here? It's like getting mad at auto companies for outsourcing because they didn't want to pay union employees 40 bucks an hour to put a couple bolts into a car. Running and operating a business isn't about being nice to people and giving everything away, pretty sure that's a form of government that nobody wants :-/ This is not simply a problem of Apple, this is a difference of cultures and worlds, it's not something solved so easily by "boycott Apple and the world will be a better place." The biggest problem in this thread (and most on OCN) is that people take a very limited and narrow perspective of the situation, choosing to focus all blame and/or responsibility on a single entity and not realizing how complex the world and economic systems really are...
Edited by b3machi7ke - 1/26/12 at 9:15am
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post #48 of 72
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I am tired of all these useless comments,can somone say somthing that contributes to this thread? a solution perhaps?

The solution would be for consumers to take back power in this relationship and (sad as it sounds) not buy Apple products until they change their ways. But no one in the US is going to do that. We're entitled to iphones is what most of my fellow university students think or they think Apple isn't/couldn't be at fault (it's not directly but indirectly by employing another company with known "unethical" (subjective word) practices). So we'll have to wait until either the workers revolt or gain enough money to move on/out of this situation and the price of labor over there goes up.

Sure reading this makes me mad...but it's the system we live in and unless more people are willing to act nothing is going to change it.
     
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post #49 of 72
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Where do you think fast economic change comes from? Money. And Apple has the money. Apple is more-or-less the spokesperson for its consumers, so I suppose at the moment the hear no evil see no evil mentality mirrors the consumer ethos.

And what tireless campaign are you involved with to bring equality and high work standards to the poor people of china exactly? That's what I thought. It's all just a bunch of talk with you guys....
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apparently you haven't ever used an Apple product if you can make a blanket statement that Apple's products suck. . . . "aww i can't afford an expensive Apple product so I'm going to just blanket stereotype all their products and say they're not so awesome and way overpriced" attitude . . . unless you're just jealous because you can't afford them

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the definition of irony.
    
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