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Not as simple as you think. In America, we have something called labor union, who constantly asks for more wages. Then there is various regulations which drive the production cost upwards. Let's not forget that Uncle Sam charges high amount of taxes. Finally there is high minimum wages.
When you add all that up, it equals significantly higher production and labor cost. In capitalism market, business only goal is to maximize profit. If you want the other way around, where moral finds its place in the market, a centralized market, or communism, is what you should've been advocating.


im not saying all those jobs should be in the states. profits would drop to zero. im saying they have the capabilities to offer more jobs.
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im not saying all those jobs should be in the states. profits would drop to zero. im saying they have the capabilities to offer more jobs.

This article provides just a small snapshot of the problems and hurdles that would need to be overcome not just with Apple but with many manufacturers and companies that would want to bring a lot of these jobs back to America. I would strongly recommend you to read it in its entirety (was posted on OCN before but can't find the link doh.gif) and see if it helps bring a bit of additional perspective to the challenges involved in your (and others') propositions...
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im not saying all those jobs should be in the states. profits would drop to zero. im saying they have the capabilities to offer more jobs.


This article provides just a small snapshot of the problems and hurdles that would need to be overcome not just with Apple but with many manufacturers and companies that would want to bring a lot of these jobs back to America. I would strongly recommend you to read it in its entirety (was posted on OCN before but can't find the link doh.gif) and see if it helps bring a bit of additional perspective to the challenges involved in your (and others') propositions...
Thanks for the link.
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I doubt profits would drop to $0. Btw that is breakeven.

But their profits would be dented, granted, but they would still have their dignity intact.
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In capitalism, the only things that matter are profit and market dominance for a business. Morality or "fairness" does not matter. Apple is doing those things that business always want to do. With a global market like this, there always has to be someone on the bottom being paid a lot less less. If not China, they will move to another country or region with cheap labor.
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I doubt profits would drop to $0. Btw that is breakeven.
But their profits would be dented, granted, but they would still have their dignity intact.

This. Profits would only be dented.

I worked as a intern for a company who built professional lighting equipment over the summer. Everything was 100% made in the USA, PCB boards were even printed in house. Profits were still extremely high and all workers were treated extremely fairly with excellent benefits. Unfortunately it's a private company, so even the revenue is rather difficult to find and I don't remember the rough numbers anymore.

Was a really great inter, I actually plan on going back this summer.
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Come on guys. I am no apple fanboy but they are very good at business (i.e making money). Apple will not change this becuase they don't need to and don't care.

When you use an iPod, iPhone or iPad do you really give a **** about who made it? I know I don't.

Also if these jobs were migrated to the states or any other developed country make no mistake the cost would be passed on the us, the consumer.
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Come on guys. I am no apple fanboy but they are very good at business (i.e making money). Apple will not change this becuase they don't need to and don't care.
When you use an iPod, iPhone or iPad do you really give a **** about who made it? I know I don't.
Also if these jobs were migrated to the states or any other developed country make no mistake the cost would be passed on the us, the consumer.

The cost is indirectly passed onto us if we are not continually increasing our skills/specialization and developing goods/services that can not be provided elsewhere...then we loss jobs and the means to afford goods. Globalization/outsourcing is not bad but if it occurs without the rest of the situation changing it can be.
And I care about my electronics which is why I'm against Apple on most of their products. Sadly...I bought into the crazy early on with a 160GB ipod and learned what "restrictions" can mean. I don't want to feel that again.
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In capitalism, the only things that matter are profit and market dominance for a business. Morality or "fairness" does not matter. Apple is doing those things that business always want to do. With a global market like this, there always has to be someone on the bottom being paid a lot less less. If not China, they will move to another country or region with cheap labor.

Actually morality/fairness can matter especially in capitalism if the consumers decided it mattered. But, that would take a lot of people caring about it and willing to forgo things they feel entitled to or feel like they have to have to fit in/follow a trend.
     
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Samsung is a South Korean company.
Anyway, we allllll know every single electronics manufacturer makes a buck off the backs of extremely cheap Chinese labor. The only reason Apple gets the headline is because it's the biggest electronics company on the planet and because it's an American company.

Would that be South America, or North America? The 'United States' is not America. The Americas is two continents consisting of 35 countries. The US is just one of those countries. The US is not America!

People need to stop that!
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Would that be South America, or North America? The 'United States' is not America. The Americas is two continents consisting of 35 countries. The US is just one of those countries. The US is not America!
People need to stop that!

actually, it kinda is, most of the time when people say "America" it's just short for the United States of America. And almost every time America is referenced everyone knows what specific country you are talking about. The fact that you reference the USA tells me you know exactly what he means (as does everyone in the world) and you're just splitting hairs to be a pain in the neck. But to alleviate any stress you might be having from said post and to clear up any confusion as there are so many countries in the Americas that could be host to said company, it is indeed based in the United States of America, located between Canada and Mexico, all three of which are located on the North American continent, which is located directly north of the South American continent. There, did that clear up all the confusion you had? rolleyes.gif
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