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When in this Due? 1 year after IVY? I am not sure if i should skip IVY.
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When in this Due? 1 year after IVY? I am not sure if i should skip IVY.

Due on 2013, one year after IB.
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Originally Posted by Nioxic View Post

Why is this news?
i dont get it
maybe im not geeky enugh
its like´saying:
look at this bmws engine.. its a 2 liter
then check out this newer bmw, it has a bigger engine. surprised?

Process shrinks usually lead to physically smaller dies.

A larger die means they added something significant, in this case a much larger and presumably more powerful GPU.
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Originally Posted by Riou View Post

This still belongs in rumors

I disagree.
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Originally Posted by ThePath View Post

With Haswell, intel is going to move PCH (Platform Controller Hub) onto the same package as the CPU. So, I'm not surprised that is going to have larger die size than Ivy Bridge

PCH should be tiny compared to the rest of the chip, unless they are building it on an older process.
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wow lol intel is ahead of htemselves
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Originally Posted by trumpet-205 View Post

Cause that's for Extreme series.
Haswell in theory, should have PCH and VRM integrated into the CPU. Meaning no chipset or VRM on the MB.

Right, but the extreme stuff comes out so much later than the mainstream stuff, that in most cases, you should go with the mainstream (c.f. 2600K v.s. 980X).
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When in this Due? 1 year after IVY? I am not sure if i should skip IVY.

I think you should skip Ivy. You already have i5 2500K and Ivy will only be 10-20% faster. You're good for another year unless you want to have the latest technology. I'm getting Ivy though, I can not wait another year.
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Originally Posted by Nioxic View Post

Why is this news?
i dont get it
maybe im not geeky enugh
its like´saying:
look at this bmws engine.. its a 2 liter
then check out this newer bmw, it has a bigger engine. surprised?
For a car enthusiast, that is news. And it's not just "talk" pictures to prove it, I call that news. Especially since this won't be out until 2013.

On topic, I hope this CPU is fast, like real fast. Because this will be my time to upgrade. I really could care less about the graphics though -INTEL! Even if it was 10x faster than Ivy bridge graphics, I'd still be using a dedicated video card so basically that part of my CPU that I am paying for is useless.
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Nobody else feels ripped off with the 77W $300 quad-cores? Since Core 2 Quad they've been 95-125W. And really even if they increased TDP, power consumption wouldn't go up if you keep the power management settings. But yes this is OCN, pretty sure most people here care less about having 20W "too high" of a TDP for a high-end CPU.

The 77w figure is for the CPU+iGPU. The 2600k are actually 65w parts
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You use TDP as a measure of performance? Really? Lower TDP not only means lower power consumption, but potentially higher OC headroom (because a cooler can handle it more).
In that case go ahead and buy yourselves BD. To you that's best bang per buck because it has higher TDP.

You know, implying I said something absurd with a question works a lot better in verbal arguments. Re-read my post. I don't think you realize this, but overclocking to higher and higher clockspeeds requires exponentially more power. Adding cores at a given clockspeed requires approximately linear power (for the multi-threaded performance gain). Adding transistors to make cores bigger and increase IPC, well I can't precisely say it's linear but the performance/watt gain is much better than increasing clockspeed with a lower transistor count. My main issue is that Intel is making huge die shrinks without adding tangible CPU performance gains.

I mean correct me if I'm wrong, maybe nobody wants a hex-core i7 with a motherboard+CPU cost under $700. To me the performance gains aren't huge for "mainstream", and it seems like the gap between "mainstream" and "enthusiast" is going to just keep growing. IB-E will have up to 8 cores. IB will have 4. Piledriver will have 10. Eventually AMD is going to catch up especially with Intel fooling around. PD should beat IB for multi-threaded by a decent amount. And just FWIW my next build will be IB, I *personally* need a couple of really fast cores, and there aren't any dual-cores good enough.

One last thing, nobody has any problems with huge monstrous space-heaters for high-end graphics cards. And in fact, AMD and Nvidia are pretty good at increasing performance at a given price point, while (perhaps) slightly lowering TDP. I don't see why anyone would object to Intel keeping die sizes similar at a given price point, after die-shrinks. I'd just like to see Intel put in an honest effort instead of having quads with a $180 price range from cheapest to most-expensive with negligible real differences (short of locked multi, hyperthreading and a little cache).
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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post

The 77w figure is for the CPU+iGPU. The 2600k are actually 65w parts

Indeed. I also really don't understand why Intel can't lower TDPs for mobile parts. Instead they're using all the "extra" thermal envelope for graphics.
 
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I found the secret to improving CPU performance: make the PCB bluer every year.
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