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Originally Posted by jrbroad77 View Post

You know, implying I said something absurd with a question works a lot better in verbal arguments. Re-read my post. I don't think you realize this, but overclocking to higher and higher clockspeeds requires exponentially more power. Adding cores at a given clockspeed requires approximately linear power (for the multi-threaded performance gain). Adding transistors to make cores bigger and increase IPC, well I can't precisely say it's linear but the performance/watt gain is much better than increasing clockspeed with a lower transistor count. My main issue is that Intel is making huge die shrinks without adding tangible CPU performance gains.
I mean correct me if I'm wrong, maybe nobody wants a hex-core i7 with a motherboard+CPU cost under $700. To me the performance gains aren't huge for "mainstream", and it seems like the gap between "mainstream" and "enthusiast" is going to just keep growing. IB-E will have up to 8 cores. IB will have 4. Piledriver will have 10. Eventually AMD is going to catch up especially with Intel fooling around. PD should beat IB for multi-threaded by a decent amount. And just FWIW my next build will be IB, I *personally* need a couple of really fast cores, and there aren't any dual-cores good enough.
One last thing, nobody has any problems with huge monstrous space-heaters for high-end graphics cards. And in fact, AMD and Nvidia are pretty good at increasing performance at a given price point, while (perhaps) slightly lowering TDP. I don't see why anyone would object to Intel keeping die sizes similar at a given price point, after die-shrinks. I'd just like to see Intel put in an honest effort instead of having quads with a $180 price range from cheapest to most-expensive with negligible real differences (short of locked multi, hyperthreading and a little cache).
Indeed. I also really don't understand why Intel can't lower TDPs for mobile parts. Instead they're using all the "extra" thermal envelope for graphics.

Let's make one thing clear. Enthusiast like you and me only make up a tiny portion of the computer market. I stress the word "tiny". Who is the biggest buyer in desktop? It is OEM like Dell, HP, etc, not custom system builder like us. With the rise of HTPC and us being a tiny portion of the pie, you can see why Intel and AMD went after the mainstream performance. It makes no sense to close the gap between mainstream and enthusiast segment when mainstream user ain't going to use it. By keeping TDP down, you also make OEM happy, because they can also cut down the cost on the PSU and cooling. No body in mainstream segment will take use of hex-core. Tell me, since when does web-browsing or video streaming require a hex-core? More core does not equal better performance.

Funny you mentioned PD having 10 cores. I guess you must be one of those who adores AMD advertisement of more cores.

Not to mention because the demand in the enthusiast segment aren't as high as mainstream segment, Intel and AMD cannot keep profit margin as low as it can with mainstream product (economy of scales).

On top of my head you only need hex-core if you are using workstation application, virtualization, or media transcoding. None of which applies to mainstream market.
Edited by trumpet-205 - 1/26/12 at 9:58pm
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And here is me sticking around with a C2D while all the computer power of CPU's goes to the sky. If sometimes I upgrade (near Haswell launch or after). My upgrade will surely be the greatest increment in performance for any OCN member here. Going from a C2D and a 8800gt with 2 gb ram to a Broadwell, 700-800 series nvidia card and prob 12-16gb of ram must be like a 2000% increment
    
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post #33 of 84
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And here is me sticking around with a C2D while all the computer power of CPU's goes to the sky. If sometimes I upgrade (near Haswell launch or after). My upgrade will surely be the greatest increment in performance for any OCN member here. Going from a C2D and a 8800gt with 2 gb ram to a Broadwell, 700-800 series nvidia card and prob 12-16gb of ram must be like a 2000% increment

Lol yeah, I'm in the same boat. I can't hold out for Haswell/Broadwell, though. I'm going to settle for an SR-X and related goodies. frown.gif
    
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Considering Haswell is still a heavily tweaked SB architecture, I'll surely come on board for Ivy Bridge.
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I was going to replace my mb for a pcie 3.0 Z77 chipset and ivy, But if intel plan to release a new socket for haswell then i guess there's no point frown.gif

Perhaps upgrade my gpu instead???
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wow already preparing for new technology. intel really push they're RnD to get advance everyday. I hope it really surpass the predecessor.
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And here is me sticking around with a C2D while all the computer power of CPU's goes to the sky. If sometimes I upgrade (near Haswell launch or after). My upgrade will surely be the greatest increment in performance for any OCN member here. Going from a C2D and a 8800gt with 2 gb ram to a Broadwell, 700-800 series nvidia card and prob 12-16gb of ram must be like a 2000% increment

I did the jump and threw in a ssd as well, the difference in feeling is not as great as you imagine, only graphically can you really feel a big difference, the old e8500 can still handle just about anything with a decent gpu, I only upgraded because it had to degraded to the point where it could only run stock (who ever wants to do that)
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I wonder what socket Haswell-EP will be on..

Socket 2010? tongue.gif
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still just 4 cores. Ivy E can't get here soon enough
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still just 4 cores. Ivy E can't get here soon enough

Hear, Hear. I have to order 4-9 Intel servers this year. Some will need 16+ cores at over 3GHz.
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