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They don't have to make x86 chips to be relevant in the server world. Server =/= desktop.
No, they clocked a SINGLE TRANSISTOR to 500ghz.
There's an enormous difference between one transistor and an entire chip.
Wonder if this is more viable than graphene/which we will see first/which will end up paving the way for the future?

lol, my mistake. sensationalist media (read: cnet) ignoring to mention that it was a single transistor rolleyes.gif
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Not gonna work since IBM doesn't have an x86 license. They would have to buy AMD or VIA to compete unless they went ARM, and even that won't help much I suspect. ARM would have a lot of catching up to do since anything useful runs on x86, and they would have to resort to emulation of some sort to even be taken seriously. Then you would have the performance increase go down the drain, IBM would be better off selling the technology to Intel who would likely use the tech.

this. intel also has way more experience in the field than IBM does as far as CPU's go.
 
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IBM are a really cool company, always pushing things forward.


So pushing forward mass extermination of people in collaborattion with Hitler is "cool"?? Wake up.



    
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Whatever happened to the graphene transitors they were working on?
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They already do. Their Roadrunner Supercomputer was at the top back in 2008 and I'm fairly sure alot of the computers on there have IBM chips in them as well.

Yup. That was what I was thinking about. smile.gif
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So pushing forward mass extermination of people in collaborattion with Hitler is "cool"?? Wake up.


Where did this come from? Apple, Microsoft and any other company that is outsourcing labor to china is basically doing the same thing. The past is the past. You need to wake up and stay on topic.
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Not gonna work since IBM doesn't have an x86 license. They would have to buy AMD or VIA to compete unless they went ARM, and even that won't help much I suspect. ARM would have a lot of catching up to do since anything useful runs on x86, and they would have to resort to emulation of some sort to even be taken seriously. Then you would have the performance increase go down the drain, IBM would be better off selling the technology to Intel who would likely use the tech.
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I didn't realize IBM made x86 chips? Well, anymore anyway, pretty sure they had a line or two back in the 90s...

IBM does have an x86 license (it might have expired, but I think that part of the deal was that IBM had a perpetual license and several other companies (such as AMD) had 20-30 year licenses). They've had it ever since they made the tiny company Intel into a behemoth. IBM no longer makes x86 chips, but their POWER chips are faster than x86 chips in their market sector (mainframe and supercomputing).

Everyone says that IBM and GF are behind Intel, but this shows that they are very forward thinking. IBM spends more research dollars than Intel. The Globalfoundries, IBM, Infineon Technologies, Renesas Electronics, Samsung Electronics, STMicroelectronics and Toshiba alliance has much more research done than Intel does. Sure Intel is ahead in silicon production, but that doesn't mean much.

We are almost to the limits of silicon. We have 32, 22, 16, and then 11nm. After that, the only ways to increase silicon performance are by increasing efficiency, die size, and clockspeed. Die size is power and cost constrained. Clockspeed is capped at a theoretical 10GHz (IIRC) and efficiency is already being pursued.

The next logical step is to change materials. The perfect material is graphene. We already know that some graphene designs produce little heat and because they are flat crystals, stacking transistor layers (for a true 3D chip) is possible. Further, power consumption is lower and theoretical max clocks are 50-100x higher (makes you wonder if AMD wasn't right when they designed a microarchitecture that loves extra speed(and actually scales at nearly 1:1)).

Intel will "lead the way" for the next 4-6 years, but when they are forced to move to the next thing, all the patents will be owned by the IBM alliance. The real long-term loser here is Intel (because they spent so much money on expanding current technology instead of spending more on future tech).
Edited by hajile - 1/26/12 at 9:06pm
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IBM and AMD should put there heads together and bring some carbon nanotube powaaa to the masses. With more cores of course cheers.gif
    
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