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^ Not bad but not the way I would take.  Why:

  • Smaller, slower HDD (when she wants to play ALL of the latest games, plus there are other things she might want to store such as existing music, movies libraries... more is better)
  • Half the memory that is ideal for most builds today (with games such as BF3 starting to actually favour systems with more than 4GB of RAM and 8GB being cheap I find it hard pressed not to recommend 8GB)
  • Shoddy, low quality PSU.... the story could easily end right there
  • Over budget and still missing a DVD drive
  • Simply does not work.... that case is mATX and will not fit that motherboard

 

I can understand the point of recommending the 2500k for its ridiculous overclocking ability and IPS performance but it really makes a moderate-minimal difference over AMD's Phenom II until you approach GPUs like the GTX 580 or multi GPU setups.  When considering budget restraints, that is where I would usually stay away from recommending the 2500k.  Because at certain budgets it just does not make for a well balanced PC wtih well balanced parts choice anymore; the best PCs for price have a well-defined "balance" in parts choice (i.e.gamer? prioritize on the GPU.  one card only?  you don't need that super high end psu. leaner, meaner cases? should be an afterthought). After all, we all collectively gather here for the "pursuit of performance".


Edited by xd_1771 - 1/26/12 at 1:13pm
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Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146076
$34 after promo code

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115077
Sandy bridge, dual core is fine. $130

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271
Excellent mobo, used in my build. $122

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401
560 ti, about as good as 6950. $209 - $30 rebate

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371051
750w, Antec $85

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145345
Corsair 8gb, find another brand if you wish. $49

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
Western Digital, 500gb, 7200 rpm. $90

DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
Asus writer. $19

Total: $738.92
Shipping: $11.82
Sub Total: $750.74
Less Rebate: $30

Grand total: $720.74

Did I miss anything?
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Since you want to point out needs shall I throw up some benchmark shots of how well sandy bridge does compared to any AMD chip your recommending? Do I really have too?

Slower HDD has little baring on FPS. low quality PSU? thermal take PSU has always done me right. Ya sure some things are a tad on the budget side like ram and HDD, however having a future proof CPU and GPU platform is worth it.

OP, look up sandy bridge vs AMD info and you will see it is the right choice. Like I said I went from a crappy phenom x 6 to a 2500k and saw amazing increase in system performance. Funny how downgrading from a six core to a quad gave me better FPS and system speed.

If he can get a 2500k and a 6950 on a future proof platform whats the issue? Obviously AMD sucks at performance seeing how Bulldozer performed slower than their old phenoms...just sayin.


EDIT: OP XD has solid advice most of the time AMD vs Intel is the only disagreement typically. AMD is best for budget, but 750 is more than enough to get on the sandy bridge side of gaming. IMO a x 6 is a waist of money.
Edited by Dimaggio1103 - 1/26/12 at 1:25pm
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Since you want to point out needs shall I throw up some benchmark shots of how well sandy bridge does compared to any AMD chip your recommending? Do I really have too?
Slower HDD has little baring on FPS. low quality PSU? thermal take PSU has always done me right. Ya sure some things are a tad on the budget side like ram and HDD, however having a future proof CPU and GPU platform is worth it.
OP, look up sandy bridge vs AMD info and you will see it is the right choice. Like I said I went from a crappy phenom x 6 to a 2500k and saw amazing increase in system performance. Funny how downgrading from a six core to a quad gave me better FPS and system speed.
If he can get a 2500k and a 6950 on a future proof platform whats the issue? Obviously AMD sucks at performance seeing how Bulldozer performed slower than their old phenoms...just sayin.

Sorry but your sensational claims of SB being soooo much better are simply unfounded. Most if not all people will NOT be able to tell the difference between a Phenom II and 2500k in gpu bound games. The ONLY thing SB makes a difference as far as gaming goes are cpu bound games and there are not very many of those around. Yes you did post a shoddy power supply. There are many known issues with the TR2 series. If looking at Thermaltake psu, what you want are the Toughpower series. The mobo you posted also would not allow future crossfire/sli.
Edited by computerparts - 1/26/12 at 1:31pm
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Ahh, yeah, the only two Microcenters in Texas are Houston (right near me, actually) and Dallas. (How was that storm yesterday, btw?! Snorkle.gif )

Austin was a glorious hole to live in when it rains. I remember back when I was at UT the place flooding like no other from just a few hours of heavy rain. I often wonder if they ever fixed that....

Fry's has some good deals if you search hard enough.
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Since you want to point out needs shall I throw up some benchmark shots of how well sandy bridge does compared to any AMD chip your recommending? Do I really have too?
Slower HDD has little baring on FPS. low quality PSU? thermal take PSU has always done me right. Ya sure some things are a tad on the budget side like ram and HDD, however having a future proof CPU and GPU platform is worth it.
OP, look up sandy bridge vs AMD info and you will see it is the right choice. Like I said I went from a crappy phenom x 6 to a 2500k and saw amazing increase in system performance. Funny how downgrading from a six core to a quad gave me better FPS and system speed.
If he can get a 2500k and a 6950 on a future proof platform whats the issue? Obviously AMD sucks at performance seeing how Bulldozer performed slower than their old phenoms...just sayin.

i will repeat, in case you didn't hear:

1. 4GB of ram is not enough (more ram is needed, pushing you out of budget)
2. The case you recommended will physically not work (more expensive case required, pushing you further out of budget)
3. You did not include a DVD drive (adding one will be about $20, pushing you even further out of budget)
4. Large, interactive MMO maps load as you move, so yes, a slow HDD could potentially have performance ramifications. Also, it will make using the computer for anything else slow and painful.
edit: 5. a SMALL amount of research shows that the PSU you recommended has known issues. your experience with it is anecdotal and therefore statistically irrelevant.

this thread is not about sandy bridge vs bulldozer. in fact, not a single person has recommended a bulldozer chip. its performance is completely irrelevant.

let me sum this up for you: in order to stay in budget, if OP wanted to use 2500k, he would have to sacrifice GPU. This will result in framerate loss, regardless of CPU performance. A phenom II paired with a 6950 will blow a 2500k/6870 out of the water.

I saw a quote once that was along the lines of "post count is not equivalent to intelligence." you have provided an excellent example.
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I don't think anyone bothered asking what resolution will be in play. At least I didn't see any mention of it. Without this info, it is difficult to recommend an appropriate video card. Also are you going to overclock the cpu?
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Have been out of the PC hardware world for a few years now so I need some help. GF wants a desktop to play all the latest games, especially mmo's like SWTOR.
Budget is $750, the build I put together comes in a little below after the MIR's. All prices are Newegg
$100 Mobo: ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
$95 CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 925 Deneb 2.8GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor HDX925WFK4DGM - OEM
$260 GPU: SAPPHIRE 100312-3L Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$89 PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom will this handle CF 6950s down the road?
$47 Mem: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
$159HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" prices on hdd are effin nuts!!
$19 DVDR ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
$40 Case: NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$809 - $65MIR = $744
Thanks guys thumb.gif

Id wait until the end of February. The 7850/70 models should lower the price of the 6series by a margin.
    
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Skyrim CPU benchmarks: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-benchmark,3074-9.html

WoW CPU benchmarks: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-20.html

SWTOR CPU benchmarks: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/star-wars-gaming-tests-review,3087-8.html

The Sandy bridge platform is faster in the games he listed he wanted to play. If he can swing a similar GPU to an AMD build, he would be silly to not go for a i5 2500K. The Fry's pricematch to Microcenter puts this within his budget if he buys a 1GB 6950 or GTX 560Ti. The benefits of the CPU would outweigh the slight hit in GPU power.

It's time we all faced the facts of life- LGA 1155 is the clear winner in almost all cases against similarly priced CPUs, except for LOW budget gaming rigs. His is a mid-range budget, so he should get the mid-range CPU, an i3 2100 or preferably the i5 2500K.

I have nothing against AMD builds, but if you want the best for your money you need to pinch pennies here and there by buying used etc. xd_1771's build is the best for the money if just using online retailers hands down.
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Skyrim CPU benchmarks: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-benchmark,3074-9.html
WoW CPU benchmarks: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-20.html
SWTOR CPU benchmarks: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/star-wars-gaming-tests-review,3087-8.html
The Sandy bridge platform is faster in the games he listed he wanted to play. If he can swing a similar GPU to an AMD build, he would be silly to not go for a i5 2500K. The Fry's pricematch to Microcenter puts this within his budget if he buys a 1GB 6950 or GTX 560Ti. The benefits of the CPU would outweigh the slight hit in GPU power.
It's time we all faced the facts of life- LGA 1155 is the clear winner in almost all cases against similarly priced CPUs, except for LOW budget gaming rigs. His is a mid-range budget, so he should get the mid-range CPU, an i3 2100 or preferably the i5 2500K.

Well put.

That said, he should go with my post: http://www.overclock.net/t/1205883/750-gaming-rig-please-critique/30#post_16296308 thumb.gif
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