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Doesn't matter what game it is, it is very noticeable in a lot of games. I went from a 965 @ 3.8 NB @ 2.8 (max OC) with a SSD and 4GB 1600 RAM to a i5 2500K @ 4.5 (max OC without fiddling) with an SSD and 8GB 1600 RAM. In both cases I used a 5850 at 1920x1200, the only real difference was the CPU. And no, I'm not going to compare clock for clock because the 2500K overclocks way higher, but it was faster regardless.
I have noticed a definite jump in FPS. I have noticed games that used to be choppy are now smooth. SC2 and most other games now run on Ultra no problem. It really does make a difference. I held out for Bulldozer benchmarks, and then made an informed decision on how to spend my $500, and that was the 2500K. Really ask yourself where an AMD processor matches a Intel processor in games and you'll find there are only a few circumstances where it happens.

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8150fx_8120fx_6100_and_fx_4170,6.html

For the OP, as you can see the HUGE differences in FPS, I hope this helps, also Forums are a place to get information as a start as to where to look, but I would nerver use it past that. There's alot of misinformation thats gets spread in forums because in large it is not edited and the posters are free to post whatever information they like. For your build I would use what you found out here and look up everything you can on the net and find what works best for you. tongue.gif
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Sorry but your sensational claims of SB being soooo much better are simply unfounded. Most if not all people will NOT be able to tell the difference between a Phenom II and 2500k in gpu bound games. The ONLY thing SB makes a difference as far as gaming goes are cpu bound games and there are not very many of those around. Yes you did post a shoddy power supply. There are many known issues with the TR2 series. If looking at Thermaltake psu, what you want are the Toughpower series. The mobo you posted also would not allow future crossfire/sli.

Went from an OC'd 955 @ 4ghz to an OC'd 2500k and saw a significant improvement... In fact, I was using the AMD system last night tweaking its overclock and the difference was noticeable even while navigating around the desktop doing basic tasks. So yes, it is definitely noticeable, and it does make a difference.

I agree about the TR2, though, those are junk. I had two TR2 PSU's fail on me last year in my AMD rig--one in 30 days, and its replacement started to do the same in 45 days, so I swapped it with a corsair and haven't had an issue since.


OP:

In an attempt to stay on budget, is downgrading the GPU on a gaming rig worth the jump to Sandy Bridge from Phenom II? That's going to be a hard choice. Personally, if I were on such an initial budget, I would still get the 2500k with a 68xx, and simply upgrade the GPU in a few months or when I had the $$, and sell the 68xx after to recoup a bit of the cost. But that's just me, I am constantly upgrading, so that's how I am naturally going to think about building a rig... Your situation may be different, and it may bother you about still having to upgrade a part in a freshly built rig...

Whatever you choose, I am sure you'll have a blast gaming, regardless of chip you decide on. biggrin.gif
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post #53 of 102
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Originally Posted by KittensMewMew View Post

Doesn't matter what game it is, it is very noticeable in a lot of games. I went from a 965 @ 3.8 NB @ 2.8 (max OC) with a SSD and 4GB 1600 RAM to a i5 2500K @ 4.5 (max OC without fiddling) with an SSD and 8GB 1600 RAM. In both cases I used a 5850 at 1920x1200, the only real difference was the CPU. And no, I'm not going to compare clock for clock because the 2500K overclocks way higher, but it was faster regardless.
I have noticed a definite jump in FPS. I have noticed games that used to be choppy are now smooth. SC2 and most other games now run on Ultra no problem. It really does make a difference. I held out for Bulldozer benchmarks, and then made an informed decision on how to spend my $500, and that was the 2500K. Really ask yourself where an AMD processor matches a Intel processor in games and you'll find there are only a few circumstances where it happens.

I have had the same experience.
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Already been mentioned above so I'll +1 that if you are set on going AMD grab a 1090T and an Nvidia card. Me personally I'd go an Intel build.
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Also everyone recommending 2500k seems to be forgetting IB will be coming in a few months which will further drop prices on the 2500k. That doesn't make it a very smart buy at the moment. Where as with AMD, prices aren't going anywhere any time soon.
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with the warranties on the components i think its a safe bet. Have you ever actualy had any problems with one or is it just more of the psu overkill mantra circulating this site tongue.gif

Up until about 3 years ago, everyone I knew, including myself always bought the "cheap" PSUs. We've learned since. (you blow through them in months) That's why I suggest not getting a PSU that comes bundled with a case.
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Went from an OC'd 955 @ 4ghz to an OC'd 2500k and saw a significant improvement... In fact, I was using the AMD system last night tweaking its overclock and the difference was noticeable even while navigating around the desktop doing basic tasks. So yes, it is definitely noticeable, and it does make a difference.
I agree about the TR2, though, those are junk. I had two TR2 PSU's fail on me last year in my AMD rig--one in 30 days, and its replacement started to do the same in 45 days, so I swapped it with a corsair and haven't had an issue since.
OP:
In an attempt to stay on budget, is downgrading the GPU on a gaming rig worth the jump to Sandy Bridge from Phenom II? That's going to be a hard choice. Personally, if I were on such an initial budget, I would still get the 2500k with a 68xx, and simply upgrade the GPU in a few months or when I had the $$, and sell the 68xx after to recoup a bit of the cost. But that's just me, I am constantly upgrading, so that's how I am naturally going to think about building a rig... Your situation may be different, and it may bother you about still having to upgrade a part in a freshly built rig...
Whatever you choose, I am sure you'll have a blast gaming, regardless of chip you decide on. biggrin.gif

Why anyone buy a GPU knowing that they were going to replace it in a couple of months when you can buy a GPU and CPU now that lasts for a couple of years. That makes no sense at all. I already agreed the the 2500k was slighty faster but to stay on budget in this case I would go AMD. It's NOT staying on budget if you have to respend $250 dollars in 60 days?????? Anyways your turning this into another 2500k vs AMD thread,,, I'm out
 
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I've seen many many excellent PSU's on sale in the 500W range for $40-$50 lately.

Hell, if you want I've got a PC Power and Cooling Silencer 610W (does 680W) that is based on a Seasonic unit I'll sell you for cheap.

It's a shame you aren't near a Micro Center because you can get the 2500k + good mobo for $240 after tax.

You can overclock the 2500k to 4GHZ+ on the stock cooler also :-P


Of course if you really want to do things right, go with the 2500k system and a z68 chipset mobo + 60GB SSD for a cache drive, then pick up a graphics card over the next 3-6 months as prices plummet.
    
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NZXT Source 210 mid tower case available in white or black $33.99

MSI R6950 Twin Frozr III 1G/OC Radeon HD 6950 1GB $229.99

LITE-ON Black 18X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive $18.99

AMD Phenom II X4 960T Zosma 3.0GHz $124.99

G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $43.99

HITACHI HDS721050CLA362 (0F10381) 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache HDD $69.99

Antec EarthWatts Series EA-750 Green 750W $84.99

OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD (optional) $89.99

Quality mobo that has ability to crossfire/sli already sent in pm at ridiculously low price of $84.99

All prices include rebates/discounts

Total Price w/out 60gb SSD $691.92

Total price w/60gb SSD $781.91
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only thing i will add,
is for the budget it may be a good idea to go for the 6xxx series of cards as its way cheaper to get a cross fire board opposed to a sli capable bored, and u may say i wont need that but come upgrade time, it is nice to have the option,
good luck, thumb.gif
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