Originally Posted by PappaSmurfsHarem
So what if they had a greater market share, all that means is they would need to make more devices which in turn costs more money (more labor).
If you don't see the logical flaw in that argument...I don't know what to say. Apply makes, let's say for argument's sake, 300 dollars profit per phone. if their profit went down to 240 dollars per phone, they would lose their profit margin PER PHONE, but generating more sales than they do now would not mean that they're LOSING money. It just means they're getting 240 additional dollars of profit for each additional phone they sell.
As for the rest of it, I feel like you've picked a stance about the necessity of exported labor, and you keep back-peddling to justify it. US manufacturing workers are more efficient than those in emerging markets. The data does exist to support this. Go look at bls.gov. I'm sure it's there, when you look at manufacturing outputs (in GDP) per hour per worker. Yes, there are additional costs to manufacturing in the US. As I said, those costs are only slightly impacted by labor costs. More relevant are health care costs, regulatory costs and taxes, materials, etc. However, there are answers to that, and it IS viable, otherwise the US wouldn't be the (if it hasn't just been surpassed by China this year) most productive manufacturer in the world. It's so viable that even in a worst case scenario where apple loses 3 billion of their pure profit from phone production, they STILL are one of the biggest companies in the world with one of the biggest profit margins in the world.
To get back on the human side of things, because urban manufacturing wages in places like China are increasing, there's this whole business conversation about building factories in rural china, away from the coast, where labor is even cheaper, so they can get even higher profit margins. They quantify and monetize the profit differentials about going in and setting up shop in these places too. From my perspective, the basic premise of having a profitable business changed in the past 30 years to something very dark, and I (yes it's an opinion) don't like it. And as I've illustrated before in this thread, I don't think it's necessary and I don't see validity in the argument that I need to "get real" or whatever other wave of the hand people want to use to justify it. Anyway, I'm done with this thread, as I don't like ranting and sounding like an angry douche. If anyone wants to discuss this further with me, I'm more than willing to do so in PMs.
 - and for the record, the OP was (probably) trolling. He switched his pic to a mac logo so he wouldn't seem like he was trolling, and brought up a conversation that had already been going on in another thread. That being said, it's a big deal. It (globalization) is arguably the major humanitarian question of our time, and how we decide to deal with it will determine for a new generation what life is, and what is seen as acceptable. I, for one, simply through circumstance, only use PCs, I own an iPhone, and I don't feel like a hypocrite. It's the role of an objective person to understand the world around him/her/it and to find the truth in it. If owning an iPhone or a PC means I can't be critical of the world, there's a deeper problem that needs to be addressed.Edited by pfunkmort - 1/27/12 at 12:56pm