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you guys make it sound like its apple's fault

This is OCN. Don't expect people to be rational. If XYZ company buys from ABC inc., XYZ is at fault for the abuse ABC Inc. is putting on its workers...
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Did you look at your signature??? Foxconn makes stuff for.
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)[27]
Apple Inc. (United States)[28]
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)[29]
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Logitech (Switzerland)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)[28]
Panasonic (Japan)
Philips (Netherlands)
Samsung (South Korea)[30]
Sharp (Japan)
Sony (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)[31]
Toshiba (Japan)


No kidding? 

 

What do you expect me to do, make all my sig rig components by hand? No problem, lemme just fire up the ol silicon diffuser I have in my closet.

 

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Major changes need to happen in the US in regards to manufacturing in order to entice companies to keep the work here. Personally, as an American, would pay a premium (though not an astronomical premium) for high quality goods built in America, with American parts. This is not a knock to a product built anywhere else by anyone else, but it's a matter of my focus is on helping my country and it's economy first. Kind of disgusting that we have 10%ish of the population of our country unemployed, the large corporations are outsourcing millions upon millions of jobs elsewhere, so they can PROFIT by BILLIONS per year. I just wish it worked that a company would decide to lower their profit margin, and bring these jobs back here.

One can dream.
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Major changes need to happen in the US in regards to manufacturing in order to entice companies to keep the work here. Personally, as an American, would pay a premium (though not an astronomical premium) for high quality goods built in America, with American parts. This is not a knock to a product built anywhere else by anyone else, but it's a matter of my focus is on helping my country and it's economy first. Kind of disgusting that we have 10%ish of the population of our country unemployed, the large corporations are outsourcing millions upon millions of jobs elsewhere, so they can PROFIT by BILLIONS per year. I just wish it worked that a company would decide to lower their profit margin, and bring these jobs back here.
One can dream.

Nothing will change, many of you seem to lack very basic understanding of competition. No American company can compete with a competitor who has a near slavery. Further, the minute wages become a problem for any company they will look to move if possible, or cut jobs, or cut wages(which works back on them in the form of consumers with less moeny to spend...). This is all very basic. Worse still nothing will ever change, many of you seem to think Humans are machines when they work, as if they step into their jobs and become something akin to a generator, that is not the case and it never will be.

The answer is to create businesses that are RUN by the workers, this is not pie in the sky fantasy. Workers who own their own company are cheaper(cities pay big bucks to lure companies in forms of tax breaks etc, those costs can be 50k+ per job created) to keep in the city, since they live there, they are also far more concerned with the community they live in in general. As I have said before, companies like Mondragon, Evergreen corporation. Think of tech start ups that are run by former IBM employees, etc that created a business they themselves control.

Some of you are very mathematical minded, look at some of the mathematics used to explain our system, they make no sense at all.

An example, when we study gravity we have to abstract things out first to get a very basic understanding, so we strip away everything, and build up on it adding things like planets solar systems etc. Well in Economics, the MINUTE you add ANYTHING to models to explain Capitalism, the model implodes and stops working. It's disturbing. It's irrational, it's disgusting, and it's not serving us at all.
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No kidding? 

What do you expect me to do, make all my sig rig components by hand? No problem, lemme just fire up the ol silicon diffuser I have in my closet.


I realize most of you have grown up in the typical American mindset of "quantity over quality" and laud the high-volume, low-quality mass production to feed our capitalist, consumerist society. That's a bad thing. And the more people who realize this sooner, the better.

Ha, youre pointing fingers as if your better but youre complicit as you type on your logitech keyboard and EVGA video card etc. Don't forget foxconn make samsung stuff too.

What do you want apple to do, use lesser quality manufacturing? Are consumers going to wait extra months for millions of iPad 3s or go to samsung who will continue to use cheap chinese labor? (all the while stealing apple design for commercials, phones, tablets, chargers, boxes cables)
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I realize most of you have grown up in the typical American mindset of "quantity over quality" and laud the high-volume, low-quality mass production to feed our capitalist, consumerist society. That's a bad thing. And the more people who realize this sooner, the better.
Ha, youre pointing fingers as if your better but youre complicit as you type on your logitech keyboard and EVGA video card etc. Don't forget foxconn make samsung stuff too.
What do you want apple to do, use lesser quality manufacturing? Are consumers going to wait extra months for millions of iPad 3s or go to samsung who will continue to use cheap chinese labor? (all the while stealing apple design for commercials, phones, tablets, chargers, boxes cables)


I'm not implying that I'm "better" at any point. Way to jump to conclusions and misinterpret my points.

 

First of all, you're preaching to the choir with regards to your "relevation" that Foxconn makes hardware for pretty much every OEM. I'm acutely aware of that. Secondly, I'm not singling out Apple. I'm not calling for a boycott of Foxconn or whatever. The conditions that the workers are forced to endure is what need to change. THAT is what is despicable. The Chinese workers at those factories deserve safer working conditions, and better pay. Laws need to change to enforce that.

 

If I'm being "complicit" by buying hardware made by Foxconn as you seem to suggest, that's not exactly true. The current conditions are there because the Western companies who do business with Foxconn want it that way. It's the whole reason they moved their factories to Asia in the first place, to maximize their profit margin. "Speaking with your wallet" does nothing. Legislation that is enforced does.

 

If you can be so kind as to send me a list of computer manufacturers who don't use Foxconn or other company with similar conditions, let me know.

 

And lastly, workers > consumers. Again, our consumerist society that values instant gratification and quantity over quality can stand to wait a few months for their next shiny gadget that they don't really need. I for one wouldn't care if I had to pay more or wait longer. 

 

Now, back to MacRumors with thee.

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Old news. FYI Samsung, Sony, and Nintendo also use Foxxconn to make their products.
Edited by BeerPowered - 1/28/12 at 1:12am
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But it's true though. It's the real world, **** happens. No one raises a stink about it until Apple is involved, now everyone jumps on the iHate bandwagon and talks about what a terrible company it is. Pretty sure I saw you in the last thread talking about this and you demonstrated your clear Apple fanboy hate, and no understanding of how things in a global economy work. Start a new thread on the same topic hoping for a fresh start, or just to see if you could get more people to hop on the bandwagon?
Also, it's great when the sources of your facts are, uhh...six years old?

And there's a few jumping on the "LOL U BAG APPLE SO U APPLE HATER" here too, ahem. Hint hint. People complain about Foxconn, etc when this happens to them too.
    
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And there's a few jumping on the "LOL U BAG APPLE SO U APPLE HATER" here too, ahem. Hint hint. People complain about Foxconn, etc when this happens to them too.

Hint hint:: These factories are owned and operated by Foxconn.
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The 3rd party manufacturing company makes products for a variety of companies, one of which is Apple.
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