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just sayin... all the apple haters on here, look inside your cases... alot of those parts were made in places where workers are underpaid, and in similar working conditions...

That is where the hypocrisy lies.
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This sounds good for America. yessir.gif

No, it's good for your wallet. However, it's not only bad for human rights, it's also bad for the American economy. Industry was always considered the backbone of the American economy, however because of deregulation instituted by Reagan as well as Clinton's actions in slashing import tariffs, the global economy has been shifting ever since and we are now paying the price for it. We import far more goods than we export, which makes buying from foreign suppliers in places like China the best option for many companies. Thus, by continuing to buy products that were assembled by people barely making enough to feed themselves (let alone their families), it's pretty much enabling china to continue allowing harsh working conditions to exist, while subsequently screwing our export industry out of hundreds of billions of dollars every year.
Also, I heard that if you're a worker in China, and you make any mention of forming a labor union, you get thrown in prison for 10 years. This means then that these kinds of conditions exist almost everywhere for these people. So yeah, I guess they do have a choice, and they aren't being "forced to work" since they are free to quit and end up starving to death.
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Nobody gives a crap if its apple or M$, or any other company. The point is slave labor like this is horrible.
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No, it's good for your wallet. However, it's not only bad for human rights, it's also bad for the American economy. Industry was always considered the backbone of the American economy, however because of deregulation instituted by Reagan as well as Clinton's actions in slashing import tariffs, the global economy has been shifting ever since and we are now paying the price for it. We import far more goods than we export, which makes buying from foreign suppliers in places like China the best option for many companies. Thus, by continuing to buy products that were assembled by people barely making enough to feed themselves (let alone their families), it's pretty much enabling china to continue allowing harsh working conditions to exist, while subsequently screwing our export industry out of hundreds of billions of dollars every year.
Also, I heard that if you're a worker in China, and you make any mention of forming a labor union, you get thrown in prison for 10 years. This means then that these kinds of conditions exist almost everywhere for these people. So yeah, I guess they do have a choice, and they aren't being "forced to work" since they are free to quit and end up starving to death.

Or rotting in prison if they try to protest the inhuman conditions. And don't think their prisons are like the US'.
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No, it's good for your wallet. However, it's not only bad for human rights, it's also bad for the American economy. Industry was always considered the backbone of the American economy, however because of deregulation instituted by Reagan as well as Clinton's actions in slashing import tariffs, the global economy has been shifting ever since and we are now paying the price for it. We import far more goods than we export, which makes buying from foreign suppliers in places like China the best option for many companies. Thus, by continuing to buy products that were assembled by people barely making enough to feed themselves (let alone their families), it's pretty much enabling china to continue allowing harsh working conditions to exist, while subsequently screwing our export industry out of hundreds of billions of dollars every year.
Also, I heard that if you're a worker in China, and you make any mention of forming a labor union, you get thrown in prison for 10 years. This means then that these kinds of conditions exist almost everywhere for these people. So yeah, I guess they do have a choice, and they aren't being "forced to work" since they are free to quit and end up starving to death.

This. Either MAJOR changes need to happen to make the work shift elsewhere or this will continue. Think about it this way too, say they opened a factory here, and paid everyone minimum wage. What ends up happening is now the money for these products stays here entirely. That minimum wage will be worth more, as the economy would be boosted, somewhat deflating our severely inflated dollar, and making that minimum wage go further. There needs to be some MAJOR changes.

I would love to see industry come back to America. It's so seldom to find something built IN America anymore. Jesus, I'm pretty sure the only thing in my house that is built here is the friggin' DataVac.
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That is where the hypocrisy lies.
Could you please tell me which sweatshops my rigs parts come from, that have same conditions mantioned in the article?
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That is how it works. A company says we want X number of finished product by Y date. They shop around production facilities for the one that can provide the number they want by the date they want, and at the lowest cost. The only way to keep costs of product down is to cut cost in other areas which ends up coming out of the workers pockets.
Example: Company needs 1 million units in 30 days and wants 1 dollar per unit
factory 1 - can produce1 million units in 60 days at 1 dollar per unit
factory 2 - can produce 500,000 units in 30 days at 1 dollar per unit
factory 3 - can produce 1 million units in 30 days at 1 dollar per unit, at the cost of employee wages and excessive hours.

Who do you think they are going to choose? It is all about cost, and these kinds of factories get their contracts by providing the most product at the lowest cost. Corners needs to be cut to do this, and the easiest one is employee wages.

What I would like to know is if all the money they receive from these contracts is actually going to the production of the items, or if a handful of "big wigs" are pocketing the cash while keeping their workers in these types of conditions.
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Could you please tell me which sweatshops my rigs parts come from, that have same conditions mantioned in the article?

Pick one. They are all, for the most part made in china (or other similar asian country). If the entire product isn't then the parts that comprise that product are. Whether it is actual fabrication, or just assembly you can be sure that every component in your case has been through human hands in some way or another.
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Or rotting in prison if they try to protest the inhuman conditions. And don't think their prisons are like the US'.
You ever been to a Chinese prison? Oh right, i just remembered that people regurgitate whatever they hear/see on the media. I have a half-uncle that works at a prison in Guangzhou. I visited him one year and it seems pretty nice. I don't see anyone getting beat (Unlike the general consensus here on OCN, China actually DOES have labor laws) and everyone is fed quite nicely as well.

The reason Foxconn can get away of this is the company is so large that it can basically give money to the government and tell them to turn a blind eye. And it's not like this doesn't happen in the U.S.
As my history teacher once said "Stay informed, and check the validity of your sources". Most of you guys here just look at a single source and automatically assume whatever it said was right. Actually do some research before deciding.
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Not just a myth, a lie.
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That's a good hardware comparison. Now tell me what percentage of smartphone consumers care more about hardware than software. What percentage of PC owners care about hardware? Or console owners? My point is, people care much more about the software. Yes, the hardware plays a big role, but if they can get all the software they want on the iPhone are they going to care that there are 20 other phones with faster hardware?
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Closing statement, americans are lazy, and expect everything easy.

Not all Americans.
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