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Technically they are priced on par with Nvidi based on performance.
A GTX 580 can be had for $450 - $480, the 7970 is priced at $560 with better perfomance. The 7950 is to perfom equal to a GTX 580 and perhaps slightly better.
Gone are the days of AMD Price per Perfomance. Fact is we need both to keep in competition with each other to keep pricing down and keep improving perfomance. As soon as one becomes a monopoly we as consumers will see even higher prices for less qaulity. wink.gif

I have a feeling prices won't change until Nvidia comes out with thier next gen card. Maybe. It even then with rough times. Wonder how many AMD fans are wanting to see Keplar now? smile.gif

Not an AMD fan per-say, though not an NVIDIA fan either. I simply go for what makes more sense to buy $/performance wise (top-tier GPUs only though). I just find that AMD did a 180 on the pricing with the HD79xx series and completely pulled an NVIDIA on us. Couple that with allowing AIBs to produce non-reference designs right off the bat, and (apparently) not-so-great reference design for their supposed-to-be better selling 50 variant I'm not sure what to think of AMD/ATI right now. They were always the $/performance king...but now they are really making me think. Being that I want to upgrade very soon I guess I do wish that Keppler was out right now.
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imho looks ugly
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Not an AMD fan per-say, though not an NVIDIA fan either. I simply go for what makes more sense to buy $/performance wise (top-tier GPUs only though). I just find that AMD did a 180 on the pricing with the HD79xx series and completely pulled an NVIDIA on us. Couple that with allowing AIBs to produce non-reference designs right off the bat, and (apparently) not-so-great reference design for their supposed-to-be better selling 50 variant I'm not sure what to think of AMD/ATI right now. They were always the $/performance king...but now they are really making me think. Being that I want to upgrade very soon I guess I do wish that Keppler was out right now.

It depends where your frame of time. AMD and Nvidia both had equally expensive cards in the mid 2000s. AMD and Nvidia were fighting it out with $500-600 graphics cards like the X850 XT PE vs 6800 Ultra and X1800 XT XXX vs. 7800 Ultra.
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It depends where your frame of time. AMD and Nvidia both had equally expensive cards in the mid 2000s. AMD and Nvidia were fighting it out with $500-600 graphics cards like the X850 XT PE vs 6800 Ultra and X1800 XT XXX vs. 7800 Ultra.

Yes, there was a reason why I was not buying some of those cards at that time not to mention that a purchase of one of those cards at that time gave you a much longer "useful life". I actually welcomed the change in pricing that AMD brought, and the general pressure towards more reasonably priced high-performance cards. I can accept to an extent that absolute top-tier cards will be priced with an extra premium applied to them, but HD7950 for instance is not a top-tier card yet it basically will carry a near top-tier price tag at retail outlets. You can easily expect this card to be $500 in the store at launch. That is a bit insane for cards that are in principle meant to be X-fired.

The only cards that should have crazy premiums IMHO are x-fire/sli on a stick, i.e., cards like HD6990 and GTX590.
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I wonder when people are going to accept that AMD is a business, they are not creating products so they can lose money and you can be happy. Let them have their top tier performance time, and judge when they have competition for the best card. I'm sure if you were running a company making the best of the best for the time, you would be trying to get your dollar out of it. Denying reality just makes most of you look silly to be honest.
Enjoy the power, I'll be buying a 7950/70 at the end of the month depending on if Non-ref 70s come out, regardless of the price, I'm ready to have some power.
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I wonder when people are going to accept that AMD is a business, they are not creating products so they can lose money and you can be happy. Let them have their top tier performance time, and judge when they have competition for the best card. I'm sure if you were running a company making the best of the best for the time, you would be trying to get your dollar out of it. Denying reality just makes most of you look silly to be honest.
Enjoy the power, I'll be buying a 7950/70 at the end of the month depending on if Non-ref 70s come out, regardless of the price, I'm ready to have some power.
This is such a tired argument...it really is. "Why won't you accept that XXXX is a business?" "Do you not understand that YYYY is a business and business make money?"

Yes, we all get the concept so thank you for nothing. In reality some technological improvements are supposed to cause the price of good to be lower, but in the greedy business world it is seen only as an opportunity for cost reduction which equals greater revenue and hopefully greater profit. I don't know when you were born or how much you follow technology but if you remember when the very first LCD displays were supposed to start going mainstream everyone was raving how they will be so great and offer $/performance benefits like never before. In reality, most of that did not realize on the account of sh177y manufacturing process. So, please save your ECON101 lecture for somebody who needs it thumb.gif

You know what my take on this whole matter is (read on if you care)? Well, either AMD is padding its bottom line, or they are covering from consumer pockets for poor yields in the 28nm process. It's one or the other. Performance is just an excuse in either scenario.
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I have a feeling even when Kepler comes out prices won't drop. NV will just price their cards based on the performance of AMD's offering. Seems like prices are only going up for top-of-the-line products, and with that for mainstream too. I remember that you could get 4870 for much cheaper when it came out. Also 4850 was insanely cheap compared to 7950. It's just crazy. But ppl still buy it, so they can sell it that way...

Sure, you get more performance per $ compared to previous gen, but still not nearly enough.
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I think the card looks fine.
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1) Weight of card = bending cards. #truestory
2) Noise signature is different, no guarantee that this will actually be quieter. But it's almost guaranteed that a fan like this IS a Sleeve Bearing fan.
3) Not really, HIS IceQ cards don't exactly always come in blower form now (unlike during the HD4k era) and AC stopped making their blower-style coolers.
4) Unlocking creates more heat, and his point was probably that the heatsink was designed to cope exactly within the thermal constraints of a chip operating at 7950 specs.

The aluminum uni-sink supporting the fan assembly and vapor chamber on the 7970 is beefier than the one used on the 69XX cards. This would eliminate the need for a back plate to provide structural support, while reducing cost and overall weight.
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Other companies had the sense to actually hide the fan struts on the other side.
This thing's got the God-awful struts in plain view.
And that actually makes it easier to break, seriously.
I guess Bulldozer's shortcomings did cost AMD quite a lot...
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Yes i was referring to 79xx series in general on this one, I dont understand why $550 7970 cant have a backplate, how expensive is it to produce one? the card would look and feel so much nicer with it. It just gives a videocard very high-end feel and just looks neat with all soldering points hidden.
Agreed - 5870 / 5850 running @ same clocks were really close despite lack of stream processors, but my personal issue with $400 7950 is not that but crappy cheapo heatsink which is not external exhaust.
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Looks cheap like the fan blades would break really easily. Do not want unless watercooling.

Some of these complaints make me wonder if people are using these PC peripherals beyond installing them in their PC.

"It's gotta look good, it's gotta feel good and it's gotta be sturdy too. You know, for those lonely weekends..."
Edited by Seeing Red - 1/27/12 at 4:52pm
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The aluminum uni-sink supporting the fan assembly and vapor chamber on the 7970 is beefier than the one used on the 69XX cards. This would eliminate the need for a back plate to provide structural support, while reducing cost and overall weight.
Some of these complaints make me wonder if people are using these PC peripherals beyond installing them in their PC.
"It's gotta look good, it's gotta feel good and it's gotta be sturdy too."
You're a water-cooler, but you make it sound like you never show off your work...I know that I do...then again, looks are a moot point for water-coolers as all stock coolers get replaced hence the focus for me was on performance.

Other people like to show off their rigs too, and by all means they should. That's why some people complain about the cards looking ugly.
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