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Hello mates,

I've got one serious issue.

I'll be building a new case mod in around a month, and I'll be replacing ALL my fans.

I'm currently running on Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000 RPM in the radiator. They move a crapload of air even at very low speed, but they have a quite annoying clicking noise that I can't stand on a sleeper rig.

What I don't want is to sacrifice cooling performance due to this, so I'm looking for some fans that will provide a consistent noise profile through the whole RPM spectrum, and a decent performance.

I'm a cheap man, so don't expect me to buy Deltas, or 1850RPM GentleTyphoons. I can't justify shelling out €50 just in three fans.


This is what I've narrowed down my search to:

  1. Scythe Kama Cross. I've read mixed opinions on those. Some say they suck, some say they rock. Martin's testing on a MCR120 shows they're decent enough. I own a 1900RPM one of this kind, mounted it on the rad, and man, it is SILENT as heck. The amount of air it pushes at maximum speed is very decent, but there's a lot of aerodynamic noise on it. Also, the voltage/speed function is not lineal at all. Once it reaches around 9V, speed skyrockets.
  2. Arctic F12 PWM. They seem to be good enough, and the price's unbeatable. Not much info is on those though. Martin has some graphs and seem to be quite good.
  3. Enermax UCTB12. Magma-like blades. Proven design, but they are SLOOOW. 900RPM seems pretty much ridiculous imho.
  4. Akasa el-cheapo 12cm case fans. Cheap, with classic blade styles. No info is arond about this ones.
  5. NZXT FN series. They are cheap, move a nice amount of air, but I've got two of them as front intake fans and at high speeds they have an annoying clicking noise. No clue on how they are on radiators, so if anyone's got an idea, will help quite a lot.
  6. Xigmatek XLF-1254. I could afford this ones if they're really worth it. They have a decent air output with a very adequate noise level, but can't find any testing on this ones.
  7. Noiseblocker XLP. Same as the Xigmateks, I could buy them if they're really worth the money, as I have a hard time justifying €10 for a fan. Some people say they're exceptional, I can't find any proof of it.



So that's basically it. Push only setup.



Any help will be appreciated and rewarded smile.gif


Thanks in advance! thumb.gif
   
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How bout some yate loons, cheap mans gentle typhoons biggrin.gifhttp://www.xoxide.com/yate-loon-highspeed-120.html can't beat $3.99 a fan, dunno how much it'll be shipping to spain though...
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I'd get high speed Loons if I could find them here... :/

There's a shop that carries them, at €6 per fan +shipping, and at that price I'd rather order one of the above from Amazon.es (I'll get the case and the monitor from there) and save €8 in shipping costs that can be invested in fans...


Thanks for that though smile.gif

I'll try my best to find some SHs here in Spain smile.gif
   
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Bumpity for an el-helpo? redface.gif
   
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Yate-loons are what you must turn to when you're on a budget, nothing really compares to them because they're literally made to be cheap. The ones I bought came with no boxing, no screws no manual. But you get huge returns for what you pay.

If you're okay with straight black then go for it (which almost everyone is fine with)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LokSupguller View Post

Yate-loons are what you must turn to when you're on a budget, nothing really compares to them because they're literally made to be cheap. The ones I bought came with no boxing, no screws no manual. But you get huge returns for what you pay.
If you're okay with straight black then go for it (which almost everyone is fine with)

Point is, I can't get Yate Loons at the prices you guys can. For the price of a Yate Loon+shipping in the pages that have them (aquatuning.es) I can buy a Noiseblocker XLR frown.gif


From the ones above, which one would you choose?

Edit: I've found this Akasa Amber el-cheapo, twin ball bearing, 80k hrs MTBF, 1400 RPM. They seem to be the perfect candidate right?

http://www.akasa.co.uk/update.php?tpl=product/product.detail.tpl&no=181&type=Fans&type_sub=Ultra%20Quiet%20Fan&model=AK-183-L2B

At right €7.
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Found this about the akasa ambers over at xtremesystems theres a bunch of graphs on fan noise over there..

Akasa Amber
Size: 120x120x25
Flanging: open
Subjective Noise: makes a low groan at all voltages....doesn't exactly undervolt as well as the competition.
Minimum running voltage: 3.69V
Notes: Color scheme may be attactive to some.

Not sure if you'll like the motor noise if you undervolt though tongue.gif if you can't find anything I'd go with the noiseblockers if you don't mind paying an arm and a limb for fans, heard nothing but good things about them.
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I saw something about the Ambers aswell, but it was an old thread and did only say that they were better than the Nexus ones.

That thread sounds promising!

Anyway, at that speed I could easily run them full power, but if they don't undervolt well they won't do well in a sleeper rig... :/

I've found a definitive offer. Noiseblockers at €30 the three (XLR), and the GentleTyphoon AP15 at €42 three of them.

The GTs have a noise I don't like (motor sound at all speeds even if there's no air noise), and that and the price is mainly what's setting me back.

I've seen a vid from Martin concerning the Arctic F12, they don't have any motor sound at all, but the air noise is very noticeable.

The Enermax UCTB12 sound like the F12s, but at a higher price point and a bit more of noise. They are also the slowest.


It's hard to find fans at this price range that are worth it!


So, to sum up. Akasas ditched due to motor noise. GTs ditched due to price. Reviews say that Xiggys have motor noise, so Xiggys ditched. The FNs have motor noise, ditched.


I'm left with the NoiseBlockers at €30, or with the Arctic F12 at €15.

Is the difference worth it? I'm willing to spend time trimming and balancing the impeller, and closing the gap between the blades and the fan shroud aswell.
   
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Listen to which one sounds better biggrin.gif won't be as great as having them in front of you in real life but this is the next best thing.
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Yeah, xD

From those vids I concluded that the F12 is silent and has no disturbing motor noise.

I cannot happen to find what is that meter in the left, in the NB test. It is an anemometer, but what units does it use?


I think I'll get the Arctic F12 PWMs, mirror finish the blades to minimize air friction noises, close the gap between the blades and the frame with tape to remove turbulence noises, and balance the impellers to remove vibrations. The Noiseblockers are so dam expensive, I might just do a push/pull with Arctics and get better performance!
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SF Leadex II 650W Lian Li PC-A05NB Logitech G9 Xonar DX 
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SMSL SA-S3+Technics CB-250 Sennheiser HD555 
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AMD A10-5700 Gigabyte F2A75M-HD2 G.SKILL Ares 2133 CL9 Hitachi 5K750 
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Momentus .7 200GB Noctua NH-L9a Server 2012 R2 Standard AUO B156HW01 
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PicoPSU-80-WI-25V AIO Aluminium Handmade TP-Link Archer Something Something Wi-Fi AC 
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Core2Duo E6400 Core2Quad Q6600 Pentium Dual Core E5200 AsRock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 R2.0 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
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Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
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Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
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