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You don't even need a VM. Everything thats in BT is available for other distro. Thus Shrak is bang on the money with his comments - stick is a mainstream desktop and learn to use the apps from there.

In fact, I think this is pretty much what most experts do. While I don't work professionally as a penetration tester, I am a Linux and Unix administrator so do use a lot of the same tools anyway. And pretty much all sys admins will just install these tools into their desktop distro of choice. Of all the people I've seen running BT, the vast majority of them are kids who think they're expert hackers because they learned how to install a Linux distro (these kids are otherwise known as script kiddies).

I'm not saying that BT isn't used by pro's, just that it would be more sane to learn the basics and work up rather than downloading a pre-built solution and expect miracles.

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In fact, if you're genuinely serious about wanting to learn about penetration testing, then you need to know the basics first anyway. I mean how the hell are you expected to understand the complexities of (for example) Wifi packet injection if you don't understand the basics of TCP/IP data packets, different WiFi transportation protocols or even how to install a wireless radio in ifconfig? It's a bit like asking a kid to win the F1 Grand Prix before he's even ridden a tricycle!
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It's not meant to be run as a desktop?
Then what is???

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You don't even need a VM. Everything thats in BT is available for other distro. Thus Shrak is bang on the money with his comments - stick is a mainstream desktop and learn to use the apps from there.
In fact, I think this is pretty much what most experts do. While I don't work professionally as a penetration tester, I am a Linux and Unix administrator so do use a lot of the same tools anyway. And pretty much all sys admins will just install these tools into their desktop distro of choice. Of all the people I've seen running BT, the vast majority of them are kids who think they're expert hackers because they learned how to install a Linux distro (these kids are otherwise known as script kiddies).
I'm not saying that BT isn't used by pro's, just that it would be more sane to learn the basics and work up rather than downloading a pre-built solution and expect miracles.
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In fact, if you're genuinely serious about wanting to learn about penetration testing, then you need to know the basics first anyway. I mean how the hell are you expected to understand the complexities of (for example) Wifi packet injection if you don't understand the basics of TCP/IP data packets, different WiFi transportation protocols or even how to install a wireless radio in ifconfig? It's a bit like asking a kid to win the F1 Grand Prix before he's even ridden a tricycle!

While I agree entirely, I kept the VM idea because I thought that "penetration testing" often includes work with viruses and similar (he wasn't specific if it was just the cracking he was interested in, or more - and because he said that he wanted to learn, I thought that it might eventually end up there).

Running things in a VM help minimize any damage you cause to your native OS. If he's only looking at the cracking (and similar) of networks/user accounts/files then he won't need a VM, and he would do better to just run all of this from his OS of choice.
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Of all the people I've seen running BT, the vast majority of them are kids who think they're expert hackers because they learned how to install a Linux distro (these kids are otherwise known as script kiddies).

This is the largest portion I know as well. Kids that think they're `cool` because they installed a `hacker` distro of Linux. And they think it makes them a hacker.

The main reason Back-Track exists is so you can boot into a live environment from any computer and have the tools at hand, and it's great for that. But as for main desktop use, there's not much documentation as there is for say Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and lets not forget Arch's wiki which is like the HoneyPot of information. Which means you're going to have to know how to get most/all of it up and running with little/no knowledge or guidance. So for new users, definitely easier to stick with something a little more mainstream and aimed at desktop users and stability.

And I was drunk whilst trying to explain all that yesterday, lol.
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While I agree entirely, I kept the VM idea because I thought that "penetration testing" often includes work with viruses and similar (he wasn't specific if it was just the cracking he was interested in, or more - and because he said that he wanted to learn, I thought that it might eventually end up there).
Running things in a VM help minimize any damage you cause to your native OS. If he's only looking at the cracking (and similar) of networks/user accounts/files then he won't need a VM, and he would do better to just run all of this from his OS of choice.
Very good point. I hadn't taken that into account
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This is the largest portion I know as well. Kids that think they're `cool` because they installed a `hacker` distro of Linux. And they think it makes them a hacker.
The main reason Back-Track exists is so you can boot into a live environment from any computer and have the tools at hand, and it's great for that. But as for main desktop use, there's not much documentation as there is for say Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, and lets not forget Arch's wiki which is like the HoneyPot of information. Which means you're going to have to know how to get most/all of it up and running with little/no knowledge or guidance. So for new users, definitely easier to stick with something a little more mainstream and aimed at desktop users and stability.
And I was drunk whilst trying to explain all that yesterday, lol.

I thought you explained yourself well yesterday and I completely agree:)
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This might be a bit late but if you're looking for a good balance between the both you should try out Backbox Linux 2 it comes with nearly all the same tools as Backtrack but also gives you everything a normal distro would. And it also uses XFCE by default which is great!

You should check these out.

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