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Hello everyone. I have a problem that I would love to get some help with. I'm just finishing up a build and ill list the components I used..

Crucial M4 SSD (cloned Win7 64 Ult from previous 7200RPM Drive)
Gigabyte 990FX-UD5 with F6 updated BIOS
AMD 8120 OCd to 3.4 from 3.1 on multiplier only
EVGA GTX 560 x2 (SLI)
Crucial Ballistix DDR3 1866 2x4GB
Kingwin Mach 1 PSU - 1220W

Everything has been fine for the most part, except that the RAM is making my system act very strange. If the RAM runs at the default 1333, then I have absolutely no issues with it. If I adjust the timings according to the JEDEC in the SPD and bump it up to 1600, the system will boot and run fine, but the Desktop Windows Manager Session Manager (which is responsible for Windows Aero theme transparency) crashes. I can fix it by restarting the service but it just crashes again about 10 seconds later. There are also some other minor rendering issues experienced.

Now for the fun part. If I again change the settings in the BIOS to match the JEDEC specifications for 1866, ( 9, 11, 9, 27, 1.65v) the system will post and try to load the OS, but as soon as I see the black screen with the word "Windows" on it (before the MS icon animation can begin) my system has a BSOD - (BLACK screen of death) and gives a boot error bugcheck "0xc000000e" and the error text - "boot selection failed because a required device is inaccessible".

My goal with this system was to actually get the RAM up to 2000, which the mobo advert said it could. My only concern is that the CPU isn't capable of supporting more than 1333, which off the top of my head seems rather ridiculous to assume because its an 8120. I'm wondering if this isn't a memory access conflict between the SSD and the RAM as well. This is my first time running an SSD and while I have over 20 years of experience with PC's, I'm not an experienced overclocker. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!
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Sorry if i'm being vague with my answer, but I have seen and heard that cloning the drives into new and different ones (usually SSD's) is not recommended. A lot of people bump into problems by doing that.

Of course I wouldn't really know if that case could be tied to a memory problem, but take this as a "just in case". Hope you get it sorted out.
     
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Sorry if i'm being vague with my answer, but I have seen and heard that cloning the drives into new and different ones (usually SSD's) is not recommended. A lot of people bump into problems by doing that.
I have also heard of this issue but before you have to go the reinstall route have you tried bumping up your ram voltage? If the default is 1.5 then try 1.55. if it's 1.6 try 1.65 etc. You may also have to loosen the timings a little also but try the voltage bump first.
    
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The CPU/mobo/RAM must all play nicely at higher frequencies or you will get errors. The JDEC specs may NOT work for higher frequencies. I'd try the 1.65v @ 1600 MHz. and see if that works without issues. You may also need to adjust the Command Rate to 2T from 1T. As noted when you try to increase RAM frequency above it's default rating (1333 MHz.), then you need to make other changes to help it function stable when OC'ed.

The fact that the mobo maker states that the mobo CAN run RAM @ 2000 MHz. does NOT mean that your RAM/CPU/mobo will all play nice at that frequency. With the proper RAM I would expect any FX CPU to run 2000 MHz. RAM frequency but there is no system performance gain per say above the default FX 1866 MHz. or really even 1333 MHz.

That all being said keep in mind that the mobo makers are ALL trying to resolve AMD Bulldozer/FX mobo BIOS issues. I'd confirm with Crucial that your RAM is approved for the FX CPUs and check with Gigabyte to see if they have experienced issues with the exact RAM model you have on the exact FX mobo model. Gigabyte has been doing a LOT of BIOS updates and still has issues like many if not all the Asian mobo makers.

You could also plug in your old HDD and pull the SSD to eliminate any possibility of the SSD being the issue but I would not expect it to be based on what you describe. You can also run Memtest86+ to check the DIMMs at each frequency. Check one DIMM at a time and then both.
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Hello again everyone, and thanks a lot for the great suggestions so quickly!

I have previously changed the CR to 1T and also bumped the voltage in increments all the way up to 1.7V in an effort to get the RAM stable without success. I apologize if I left that out of my OP. I, too, thought that the SSD could be the issue, but just like you guys, I think it's more of an issue with it playing well with the other hardware. After reading all your posts, I feel more confident that my troubleshooting and thought process is headed in the right direction.. as I am also thinking that this is likely a BIOS issue.

Of course, I have updated the BIOS already, but it is acting VERY odd. For example, I'm even getting system hangs while in the BIOS. Sometimes it will hang at various points in the POST, which leads me to believe that it is a BIOS related issue, but the fact that it can go all the way to the NTLDR and then throw the boot error suggests other problems.

So, as I type this and continue to think about it, it seems likely that it is a series of issues, and not just one, as the problems seem to be coming from disparate functions. I have already sent off an email to Crucial, as it is their RAM and SSD to get their opinion on it, but, as you guys are probably just as aware, I'm likely to just get back an email that asks me to check my power cable and ensure that my RAM is correctly seated and have a nice day. Customer service is so dead these days that it takes the community helping each other to get things done. So, I thank you all very much for your replies and if anyone else wants to chime in, please do so, as I'm all for brainstorming. I will also keep this updated with my progress and additional information for the benefit of others with like issues.

Again, Thanks!
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Greetings again everyone!

I finally discovered the cause of my problems. Of course, now I feel like an idiot, but isn't that how it always goes? When I first got everything up and running, I made some changes right away to the BIOS. Once I got all the drivers installed, I decided to update the BIOS, then enter the BIOS and begin the work of setting up the base configuration and minor overclocking. Apparently, something didn't go right during the BIOS update. I was able to fix all my problems by updating the BIOS again and then resetting the CMOS to defaults by grounding it out before making changes again. Once I did that, it took the RAM overclock settings with no issue.

Thanks again for all your input!
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