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ah I see, well as I said I'm open to spending more on everything else (including a case), so I don't mind if it doesn't come with one (I just have a $200 gift card to burn, so I wanted to use that on the headphones themselves)...If need be, I'll look for a case after I receive my package
wire length shouldn't bother me (most of the mice I have at home have brutally long cables, as do my speakers)
the comfort/sweatiness thing shouldn't bother me as much, I have a pair of dj headphones back home that have taken their toll, so I won't mind anything I'm sure
I don't have questions so much on the L9 since it seems pretty straightforward from your description, but I'm a little curious about the E11...I haven't done terribly much research, so I'm not sure about the difference between different types of amps (don't understand the difference between mono, bi-amps, pre-amps yet) and what exactly to look for when shopping for one. I'm reading reviews and checking out that forum you posted though, so maybe I'll learn a little more.
barring any swift revelations though, I'm probably going to buy those three parts

i added a part on low and high grain to the abovepost. again my recommendation is not perfect, and you could be swayed. just to let you know. ATH M50 is generally not as good for trance. reviewed by my helpers to have muddier bass and not enough highs. more portable and comfortable though

there are also going to be some Denon recommendations maybe. but i just did a quick search for trance on head fi. they are all on beyer and ultrasone at your range so i doubt you would choose something else. im still a little curious about the beyer dt990 250 ohm myself as i don't have them..but that's just me biggrin.gif

there are many E11 reviews. check them out..plz check them out. they will make you feel better and make you go biggrin.gif about what you are about to get with it biggrin.gif

http://www.headfonia.com/fiio-e11-portable-amplifier/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/557037/fiio-e11-review-loud-things-come-in-small-packages

http://www.head-fi.org/t/556783/fiio-e11-review-and-comparison-e7-amp-section-only
http://www.inearmatters.net/2011/05/fiio-e11-first-impression.html
http://headfonics.com/2011/08/fiio-e11-headphone-amplifier-budget-brilliance/
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You cannot go wrong with the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80's.
Their delivery has the foundation of bass you need for trance, as well as emphasized highs that make for a very dynamic presentation. The mids are a bit recessed, but overall they sound excellent and at less than $200 shipped new cannot be beat in that price range. They are also quite easy to drive, and sound excellent through my Titanium HD. thumb.gif

Thank you for replying and adding input. but doing some research on trance and beyer puts the Pro990 250 ohm at the top of the list. i tried to back the beyer quite a bit. but it seems the OP still liked the ultrasone.
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Thank you for replying and adding input. but doing some research on trance and beyer puts the Pro990 250 ohm at the top of the list. i tried to back the beyer quite a bit. but it seems the OP still liked the ultrasone.

Both the 990's and the 770's would be good for trance, but the 770's would be easier to drive for the OP since he's using also going to be using his Iphone.

@ the OP - The 770's are closed vs the semi open 990's.

Here's a listing for the 770 Pro 80's

http://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-Pro-80-Closed-Studio-Headphones/dp/B0016MNAAI/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1327738423&sr=1-2-catcorr
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Both the 990's and the 770's would be good for trance, but the 770's would be easier to drive for the OP since he's using also going to be using his Iphone.
@ the OP - The 770's are closed vs the semi open 990's.

Yeah I did add that in. im sure the 990's have low ohm models too? if it doesn't then the 770's i also added on the first post biggrin.gif but still. getting into high end audio means making people take the plunge into amps. you wna them to use the amps so that they re inforce their audiophilia thumb.gif i think electronic trance would sound good with really any open or closed. the people that commented on head fi all really said pro 990..so i guess trance is better for open. to each his own opinion. But really. a Beyer or ultrasone are both fine as he is getting the E11. i am personally very interested in Beyers, but my next purchse is the Denon AHD2000.
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hmmm, it seems I'll have to give the beyers another look

from what I can tell, closed eliminates sound leakage, which I'm not sure is a good thing?

I'm not so sure now...I'll check the links over, but what are the advantages of a semi-open set?

BTW on Amazon the $200 limit is not relevant, as I can convert the gift card to Amazon gift credit (assuming it's amazon.com and not one of the others...amazon.co.uk and amazon.de for instance do not allow you to use Amazon gift credit, though that isn't terribly relevant here) and pay the difference.

bowness - how do you feel about the beyers, and what do you think about the E11 amp for them?

damn, looks like I have to do a lot more reading now
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hmmm, it seems I'll have to give the beyers another look
from what I can tell, closed eliminates sound leakage, which I'm not sure is a good thing?
I'm not so sure now...I'll check the links over, but what are the advantages of a semi-open set?
BTW on Amazon the $200 limit is not relevant, as I can convert the gift card to Amazon gift credit (assuming it's amazon.com and not one of the others...amazon.co.uk and amazon.de for instance do not allow you to use Amazon gift credit, though that isn't terribly relevant here) and pay the difference.
bowness - how do you feel about the beyers, and what do you think about the E11 amp for them?
damn, looks like I have to do a lot more reading now

closed sound and open and semi open both have their own pro's and con's. closed are prefered if you like to go out, play games or video's with headphones so that you won't annoy your neighbors(wife,GF,partner,kids, people etc) bringing open and or semi open cans outside is a pain as your sound leaks out and sound leaks in. Open can's generally give you a bigger soundstage. Seems like the music is just larger more spread, like at a concert and that airy feeling some just prefer. open cans (includes semi open) can and generally also help bass responce. Does this mean the clossed 580's are weak...no. it's just that extra air could help get it there easier than closed.

Most people get closed from what i see bc they like to go out a lot and are in house where they want other people's noises just comming in. semi open is a bit better as it tries to add the effects of closed with open. each can is differnt. you need to see the reivew for them to really know what the properties of the open and semi open cans they will give.

How do i feel about Beyer's. let me tell you one thing my friend...on head fi..jelousy is everywhere. the beyer's are looking at us ultrasone people and wishing they had S-Logic technology, the highs and the likes....unlike Beyer, ultrasone goes on with their pro series to take on Tier A and then Summit Fi (Tier S) leagues. Beyer more or less just stays in Teir C and Tier B range.(we are currently in Teir C on this thread BTW) so they are jelous of us. We...ultrasone people that dont' have beyer's..want to try them badly. they look so comfy!!! and it feels like eveyrone has them. but in reality it's equal. you think their are more beyer people bc they just stand out more in ur eye's. all the people with ultrasone's just pass by like a flash bc they are with you and the beyers just seem so tantalizing bc you don't have them. it's the human effect. really annoying actually.

Really. getting the 770/880/990 at any Ohm 250 Ohm and lower should do good for you. the HFI 580 is also a strong contendor. I'm a fan of both companies...it's really hard to pick. like most say, you can't make a descision until you try them out personally. are you able to stop by B&H or guitary center and try them out(call first to see if that store has them on display)

I think the E11 is the best amp for bassy people in the sub $100 range. read the reivews i gave you biggrin.gif

It's up to you. unlike others. i like both and both companies are strong contendors. i just say get between 80 ohm to 250 ohm.. as 32 ohm is way to easy of an challenge for the E11.


btw:using L9, your iphone's volume controls won't work when it is pluged in(on the side, or with the volume slider). this is because you bypasse the amp. volume controls will then be handled and controled on the amp itself.
Edited by bowness437 - 1/28/12 at 12:38am
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hm, open sounds tempting, but I spend a lot of time in public (including libraries and the like), so this might not be an amazing idea...I wonder if semi-open would be best in this case, or if it's too intrusive?

I'm not so sure how much I need the highs matter...I listen to a lot of Chicane and Ferry Corsten among others, and the highest I think I have among songs I play a lot are the peaks of the chords in Airwave by Rank 1 (though a few others are close).

I'm really at a loss right now, though, as to which path to take. I would say I'd like to go to a store and try them, but this might be useless, as you said it'll take some time to get used to the sound. I mean as I stated, I want the subset of music I listen to (ambient and uplifting anthem trance) to sound amazing, so I don't want to make the wrong decision.

BTW what would the option in the next tier (B I guess?) look like (both amps and headphones)? I highly doubt I'd move up, but if the price isn't terribly higher while the sound quality is, perhaps I could justify the purchase to myself. If it's not substantially better though (without being exorbitant), I'll save the extra money for upgrading my rig or buying more singles lol
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hmmm, it seems I'll have to give the beyers another look
from what I can tell, closed eliminates sound leakage, which I'm not sure is a good thing?
I'm not so sure now...I'll check the links over, but what are the advantages of a semi-open set?
BTW on Amazon the $200 limit is not relevant, as I can convert the gift card to Amazon gift credit (assuming it's amazon.com and not one of the others...amazon.co.uk and amazon.de for instance do not allow you to use Amazon gift credit, though that isn't terribly relevant here) and pay the difference.
bowness - how do you feel about the beyers, and what do you think about the E11 amp for them?
damn, looks like I have to do a lot more reading now

Open headphones are known to have a somewhat larger sound-stage then closed headphones, though the 770 Pro 80's have quite a nice sound-stage as well. The nice thing about closed cans is that when you get in the mood to listen late at night there is a lot less sound leakage and if you listen to bass heavy music that can be a problem for others. Though a bit bass heavy the 770's are also quite excellent for gaming and would be superior to the Ultrasones in that regard. You just need to EQ down the bass a tad.
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BTW what would the option in the next tier (B I guess?) look like (both amps and headphones)? I highly doubt I'd move up, but if the price isn't terribly higher while the sound quality is, perhaps I could justify the purchase to myself. If it's not substantially better though (without being exorbitant), I'll save the extra money for upgrading my rig or buying more singles lol

Denon AHD-2000's without a doubt.
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hm, open sounds tempting, but I spend a lot of time in public (including libraries and the like), so this might not be an amazing idea...I wonder if semi-open would be best in this case, or if it's too intrusive?
I'm not so sure how much I need the highs matter...I listen to a lot of Chicane and Ferry Corsten among others, and the highest I think I have among songs I play a lot are the peaks of the chords in Airwave by Rank 1 (though a few others are close).
I'm really at a loss right now, though, as to which path to take. I would say I'd like to go to a store and try them, but this might be useless, as you said it'll take some time to get used to the sound. I mean as I stated, I want the subset of music I listen to (ambient and uplifting anthem trance) to sound amazing, so I don't want to make the wrong decision.
BTW what would the option in the next tier (B I guess?) look like (both amps and headphones)? I highly doubt I'd move up, but if the price isn't terribly higher while the sound quality is, perhaps I could justify the purchase to myself. If it's not substantially better though (without being exorbitant), I'll save the extra money for upgrading my rig or buying more singles lol

Tech Real Crazy just did another good paraphrase of open to closed. but really in this day and age. the differnece isn't like super duper night and day. closed one's are also very good and has the qualities you are looking for probably. some people ccan bring semi open to public. it depends on the can, every can has different open qualities. some semi open are less leak than others. if you go out a lot(i remember u wanted a case) then closed would be best.
Yeah it MIGHT (who knows, everyone is diff) be uselss right now. bc yuo aren't there yet, you don't know what sound is supposed to sound like yet, sorry but when i first read something that said this too back when i first started i almost scoffed, thinking those highs and lows i knew were everything..how wrong i was. if you already had good cans and knew it, then you would be able to tell which one you really like bettter.
Ultrasone's with S-Logic are able to make a syntheic opener sound in case you like that. that's the reason why they get on the trance list every time. they are also great for any music really

Tier B? examples:
Denon AHD2000
Sennhiser HD 650
Ultrasone Pro 900
Shure SRH 940
Shure SRH1440 (probably if not definatley; not out yet, lots of hype)
AKG Q701

Little Dot amp
Darkvoice
GSX
MAverick Tube Magic
etc

all of the one's i listed. other than the not yet released SRH1440 are immensly popular on head fi. IMMMENSE. the SRH940 we can scrath off the list right away as those are mainly for rock and studio monitoring, the rest could work for trance. At this range, your amp and DAC equipment should be worth at least about $200.
so $500+ total. Some would count the Beyer's 3number series into this league..i don't know much about them to really say, but they are compared and said in the top tier C levls and low B a lot... :/

so yeah. beyer or ultrasone both really work. ..i can't tell u which is better. every ear is differnt
Edited by bowness437 - 1/28/12 at 1:02am
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