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Your poor reading comprehension is the mistake here. Quad-channel memory is required to see the benefit of the 3820 and it doesn't have an iGPU or Quicksync. It could have an iGPU without Quicksync though, which is why I mentioned both...
It's not a high performance quad core either as you're going to have difficulty going above ~4.8Ghz. . If you want to talk about having an upgrade path, I'd rather have my Z68 and plop in an Ivy-Bridge CPU than having a slower CPU with no iGPU or Quicksync... Ivy-Bridge is going to be an insane overclocker btw which makes it even more worthy. You don't buy X79 and the 3820 just so you can wait for the IVY-Bridge-E hex-core...
It's getting annoying how I have to point everything out to you but the quality still isn't good enough for transcoding for anything other than you phone and it's still not as fast as Quicsync, which is already much faster than x86 encoding. The quality of QuickSync is near identical though. unlike AMD and Nvidia's options. x264 devs are working with Intel on Quicksync although a certain Intel rep made it quite difficult for them to work together in the beginning but that's for another topic.

No, you are the one who has poor reading comprehension, but thanks for finally admitting you were wrong.
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It could have an iGPU without Quicksync though, which is why I mentioned both...

And because that would make no sense - putting an entry level GPU without QuickSync on a CPU for an enthusiast platform when QuickSync would practically be the only useful feature for an enthusiast - that is why you later removed the "or" from the "QuickSync or iGPU".

You didn't say quad channel was required to see the benefit of the 3820, you just said it was required, period. That is a big difference. It's the difference between it working with 4 memory sticks installed or not working at all. If you were to put on the CPU box that quad channel is required, many people would probably think you would have to have the four channels working.

You can't say for sure if you will have difficulty going above 4.8 Ghz, You just don't have enough samples to say that. You don't even have retail samples to say that. And you also need to test it on different motherboards. More, most people will tell you that a Sandy Bridge-E quad core with HT and 10 MB of L3 cache at 4.8 Ghz with a quad channel memory interface and 40 PCIe 3.0 lanes qualifies as a high performance CPU. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You also have no valid data other than rumours and people unnoficially saying Ivy Bridge will be an insane overclocker. You just say things you can't back up all the time. Just like when you implied the 3820 used too much power, when in reality it just uses 3.2w more than the 2600K at load.

Also, you are looking at the question from your perspective. You have a Z68 platform. I don't. You use QuickSync, I don't. Your buying decisions will be different from mine.

I'm not going to buy a Z68 platform right now, it would be absurd. At most I would buy a Z77 platform in April. But if I want a 6 core CPU in a year or two, I'd have to buy a new motherboard too, which is something I won't have to do with X79.

As to QuickSync versus AMD's Video Codec Engine (VCE), you have no idea what you are talking about. You have no data to back up what you are saying, neither does anyone, so don't make rushed judgments about AMD's solution being slower than Intel's QuickSync or not producing comparable quality. Give me one site that backs up what you are saying. One site.
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The catch right now is that VCE is so new that we can’t test it. The hardware is there and we’re told it works, but the software support for it is lacking as none of AMD’s partners have added support for it yet. On the positive side this means we’ll be able to test it in-depth once the software is ready as opposed to quickly testing it in time for this review, however the downside is that we cannot comment on the speed or quality at this time. Though with the 7970 not launching until next year, there’s time for software support to be worked out before the first Southern Islands card ever goes on sale.
- Anand's HD 7970 review.

I should be the one saying it's getting annoying having to point everything out to you.
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How much is the 3820? Seems like it would've been smarter if they released it with X79 as it launched.
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How much is the 3820? Seems like it would've been smarter if they released it with X79 as it launched.

It will cost around $285 when it's launched. There are a few reasons why they didn't release it at the same time as the six core parts.

First, because they needed to launch the 2700K to win all the benchmarks against the AMD FX 8150. It's good PR, although it costs more. Launching the 3820 at the same time would be a bad decision because it would likely take away purchases from the 2700K, while having a higher platform cost, so it would have been a bit confusing for the consumer having to chose between those two.

Secondly, because the 3820 probably also had the VT-d bug, and by releasing it at the same time as the C2 Core i7 3930K and 3960X, it will probably be launched already with the C2 revision, having VT-d enabled.

A third reason is that this keeps Intel with a filled schedule of launching CPUs, so there is one for every liking. Right now you are more likely to not buy a 2600K or a 2700K and buy a 3820, or, depending on your needs and budget, you will likely wait for Ivy Bridge. This way, Intel's schedule does not have conflicting products and gives users a reason to upgrade to a better platform, because they know many will hold off from buying a 2600K or a 2700K when we are a few months away from Ivy Bridge. If you had this same conversation last year, around the Holiday season, many people still considered buying a 2600K or a 2700K and eventually did, but many enthusiasts are now waiting. In the meantime, they can also buy the 3820, so Intel keeps selling CPUs either way and is not that affected.
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I'm sorry, a lot of this is over my head. So, if Ivy is better than standard Sandy by ~10% on CPU preformance. What processor will be more likely to be the best for video encoding on for example, Sony Vegas or even Windows MM? Or would it still be better to go with CUDA in a 600/700 series GPU or two?
    
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I'm sorry, a lot of this is over my head. So, if Ivy is better than standard Sandy by ~10% on CPU preformance. What processor will be more likely to be the best for video encoding on for example, Sony Vegas or even Windows MM? Or would it still be better to go with CUDA in a 600/700 series GPU or two?

Not sure if Vegas works with Quicksync yet. It works with AMD/Nvidia acceleration though. 6950 can do 1080P in realtime. If you're just encoding videos for youtube 1080p then GPU encoding quality is good enough.
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Ah, that makes sense, for extreme cooling. Hopefully the benefits will carry over into everyday overclocking as well.

So far, it appears that it will. Haven't been told specifics yet, so no clue if that means they'll reach 5.5 on average or not but we can only hope. Nice having a conversation with someone who isn't schizo.
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Not sure if Vegas works with Quicksync yet. It works with AMD/Nvidia acceleration though. 6950 can do 1080P in realtime. If you're just encoding videos for youtube 1080p then GPU encoding quality is good enough.

I edit Compressed and Uncompressed 720p@60fps. Some of the folders I edit are up to 75GB in size. (Files ranging from 10MB-1GB)(Meaning, in a usual project I might have 75GB of footage to edit)(Montage editor)

The problems I usually face are the previewing ability. Sometimes when I am editing a clip and doing all sorts of different effects, it sometimes just skips like crazy. I want to make sure with the next build I jump to (probably either Ivy Bridge or Ivy-E I am thinking) I want to make sure this never happens again. And Vegas definitely uses CUDA and now has GPGPU support (Vegas 11). Not sure about Windows MM.

Thanks for your help. BTW, I know for a fact I won't be going with an Radeon GPU, definitely Nvidia, it will most likely be Kepler or maybe Quadro based if I can afford it.
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